Mary the Queen of Heaven

[RJB]

Right now it's personal and I don't want to talk about it on the open forum. Maybe in a few months to a year.

If you are genuinely interested PM me.

Could you explain what you mean by "transitioning"?

If you believe any of the things that the EOC believes that differ from RC dogma, then the RCC has already anathematized you. There is no transition. You're out of the fold and according to dogmas that human beings who lead that denomination have affirmed in what they considers to be ecumenical councils and in the infallible words of popes spoken ex cathedra, you have no membership at all in the body of Christ in Heaven or on Earth, until you repent of those EO doctrines.

Of course, you may be like me and St. Patrick, and not believe that they really have the authority to do that. But if that's the case you would be neither EO nor RC.

 

[Kevin007]

This is but one verse. I've noticed there are quite a few verses that you guys say don't apply to you. Such as the sheep and the Goats being judged by their deeds one for punishment, one for damnation. This verse and the one in Rev 20 are similar.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is another one. If a believer committing adultery doesn't put one in jeopardy and this only applies to unbelievers, then if I am reading your logic correct, a non-believer who isn't a drunkard, adulterer, etc. can get to heaven by behaving himself?



BTW. I gave up trying to change you're minds. I'm just curious how you think about this.

in jeapordy of what? 1 Cor. 6:9 begins by saying, “Do you not know that the wicked(unsaved) will not inherit the Kingdom of God?” and goes on to list behavior found among unrighteous people. Not talking about Believer's.

 

[RJB]

in jeapordy of what? 1 Cor. 6:9 begins by saying, “Do you not know that the wicked(unsaved) will not inherit the Kingdom of God?” and goes on to list behavior found among unrighteous people. Not talking about Believer's.

Wicked. Exactly. Adulterers, drunkards, etc.

What about the sheep and the goats. Did unbelievers get to heaven by doing good deed?

 

[Kevin007]

Wicked. Exactly. Adulterers, drunkards, etc.

What about the sheep and the goats. Did unbelievers get to heaven by doing good deed?

I wouldn't call any Believer wicked. Jesus is speaking of the unsaved.

 

[RJB]

I wouldn't call any Believer wicked. Jesus is speaking of the unsaved.

Why would a book for believers talk about the moral choices for non-believers? It would have been simpler to say

"Do you not know the wicked, unbelievers shall not inherit the kingdom."

But it doesn't. It warns US of wicked actions to avoid.

I think it would be unwise to ignore a command that the bible gives us and shrug it off.

But then it gets back to if it is written for non-believers and a nonbeliever does not engage in such actions are they saved?

 

[Kevin007]

Why would a book for believers talk about the moral choices for non-believers? It would have been simpler to say But it doesn't. It warns US of wicked actions to avoid.

I think it would be unwise to ignore a command that the bible gives us and shrug it off.

But then it gets back to if it is written for non-believers and a nonbeliever does not engage in such actions are they saved?

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no.

 

[RJB]

no.

But you're avoiding the issue. Why does Jesus give us so many commands? Unless you believe those commands are only for non-Christians. The New testament should then only have one sentence: "Have faith in Jesus Christ. Amen." But it doesn't. It has quite a message.

But the Gospel is one of Faith, Hope, and Charity. With charity being the greatest. If Luther had obsessed over the 4 Gospels and Corinthians instead of Roman, he may have said we are saved by love alone.

 

[Kevin007]

But you're avoiding the issue. Why does Jesus give us so many commands? Unless you believe those commands are only for non-Christians. The New testament should then only have one sentence: "Have faith in Jesus Christ. Amen." But it doesn't. It has quite a message.

But the Gospel is one of Faith, Hope, and Charity. With charity being the greatest. If Luther had obsessed over the 4 Gospels and Corinthians instead of Roman, he may have said we are saved by love alone.

Jesus gave us so many commands to make our life easier and to show we cannot keep them.

 

[erowe1]

2nd. If Saint Patrick was a Rond/Sola/Aqua Christian, he wouldn't be a saint in the Orthodox or Roman Catholic Church

I don't see why not. Paul is considered a saint in those churches.

Also the Irish would not have become devout Roman Catholics without one heck of a fight.

They did put up a fight. That's part of the issue.

There would also be a remanant of the "Sola" Church somewhere hidden in Ireland which I've seen no evidence of..

There was for a long time.

 

[RJB]

I don't see why not. Paul is considered a saint in those churches.

You're being silly. LOL

They did put up a fight. That's part of the issue.

Who did they fight?

There was for a long time.

Prove it.

 

[Terry1]

Jesus gave us so many commands to make our life easier and to show we cannot keep them.

Jesus gave you only *two* commandments in the Gospel that encompass everything regarding our Salvation and a choice that you didn't have under the Old Testament Law of Moses. What other commandments are you referring to then?

 

[RJB]

Jesus gave us so many commands to make our life easier and to show we cannot keep them.

Ah, you say how do we know when we have enough works to attain heaven, but how do we know when we have enough faith? Even Sola/Rond/Aqua had so little faith and so much doubt in God's ability to draw people to him that he came back under an assumed name, lost his temper when his message didn't get across, etc. He should have had more faith in God.

 

[Kevin007]

Jesus gave you only *two* commandments in the Gospel that encompass everything regarding our Salvation and a choice that you didn't have under the Old Testament Law of Moses. What other commandments are you referring to then?

no. Commandments (works) and salvation do not go together. You lump it in there like its a work. Salvation is a free gift.

 

[erowe1]

Who did they fight?

Palladius, who was sent there by the bishop of Rome to get all those new Irish Christians he was hearing about to join his denomination, for one.

Prove it.

I'll get to that later.

 

[erowe1]

Ah, you say how do we know when we have enough works to attain heaven, but how do we know when we have enough faith?

Only the tiniest amount is enough. Jesus says a mustard seed. So if it is genuine saving faith, then any at all.

 

[RJB]

Jesus gave you only *two* commandments in the Gospel that encompass everything regarding our Salvation and a choice that you didn't have under the Old Testament Law of Moses. What other commandments are you referring to then?

Terry. Jesus told us to do this because he really didn't want us to do that. Only unbelievers are supposed to listen to Jesus when he says that.

 

[RJB]

Only the tiniest amount is enough. Jesus says a mustard seed. So if it is genuine saving faith, then any at all.

I doubt you have that if you feel the need to pester the poor Catholics on this forum.

 

[RJB]

I'm going to take a break for the evening. I don't doubt your faith erowe1, nor Sola's nor Kevin's. I'm in a mood to joke around and I may wind up being more annoying when dealing with more serious subjects. Besides my wife and I are going to spend some time together.

Have a great evening my brothers and sisters.

 

[Terry1]

no. Commandments (works) and salvation do not go together. You lump it in there like its a work. Salvation is a free gift.

Which works? "dead works of the OT law of Moses or "works of faith" under the NT law of faith-- of which James tells you "without works, faith alone is dead".

This is an evil stronghold of confusion over some of you who refuse to believe that what we do and how we live in this life actually makes a difference with regard to our eternal destinies. This is also why you can't reconcile one scripture with another in the NT or Old.

 

[Kevin007]

Which works? "dead works of the OT law of Moses or "works of faith" under the NT law of faith-- of which James tells you "without works, faith alone is dead".

This is an evil stronghold of confusion over some of you who refuse to believe that what we do and how we live in this life actually makes a difference with regard to our eternal destinies. This is also why you can't reconcile one scripture with another in the NT or Old.

it doesn't make a difference. We are judged on our salvation by what Jesus did, not what we do. As far as rewards, and sanctification, yes, we are judged. Our salvation isn't judged, our walk with God is judged. Our lack of works or works done selfishly will be judged. Our good works will be rewarded. Believers lose rewards, not salvation. All who are at the JSOC are Believers. It is not a judgment of salvation, as we were already saved and Believers are already in Heaven at the JSOC.