Mary the Queen of Heaven

[Kevin007]

That's right, the works are just evidence of our eternal security.

hey Doc! I agree. The Horse is salvation, the cart is our works.

 

[Kevin007]

The doctrine and tradition of eternal security (or the perseverance of the saints) is not an apostolic doctrine. No Church Father taught that in the history of the Church and this doctrine arose from the teachings of the later Reformers such as John Calvin. Martin Luther did not teach it, and he is the father of Protestantism.

You are incorrect; as I just posted Jesus Himself, Paul and other taught it. But lets get cut to the chase. Why do you not believe in OSAS?

 

[Kevin007]

The doctrine and tradition of eternal security (or the perseverance of the saints) is not an apostolic doctrine. No Church Father taught that in the history of the Church and this doctrine arose from the teachings of the later Reformers such as John Calvin. Martin Luther did not teach it, and he is the father of Protestantism.

Jesus confirmed OSAS. I don't care what tradition says; I care what Jesus said.

 

[Dr.3D]

The doctrine and tradition of eternal security (or the perseverance of the saints) is not an apostolic doctrine. No Church Father taught that in the history of the Church and this doctrine arose from the teachings of the later Reformers such as John Calvin. Martin Luther did not teach it, and he is the father of Protestantism.

So? I'm not a protestant!

 

[Kevin007]

Romans 8:38-39- "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." There is no power that can separate a believer in Jesus from Him.

 

[Kevin007]

So? I'm not a protestant!

me neither! I believe in Jesus Christ and His Church, all true Believer's.

 

[Dr.3D]

me neither! I believe in Jesus Christ and His Church, all true Believer's.

Exactly! That's the true Church.

 

[William Tell]

So? I'm not a protestant!

I don't consider myself a Protestant either, nor Catholic or Orthodox I don't really care what any of the reformation guys taught, nor the Catholic or Orthodox churches. I care what the bible says, I have no problem agreeing with either side when they are scripturally correct. I'm sure I'm wrong on plenty of things myself.

 

[Kevin007]

Exactly! That's the true Church.

yep! And His Church isn't a cathedral or building or made with hands. His Church doesn't have a catechism added or extra "sacraments". His church isn't about legalism and dogmas but of grace and faith in Him.

 

[Kevin007]

I don't consider myself a Protestant either, nor Catholic or Orthodox I don't really care what any of the reformation guys taught, nor the Catholic or Orthodox churches. I care what the bible says, I have no problem agreeing with either side when they are scripturally correct. I'm sure I'm wrong on plenty of things myself.

hey William..I agree (btw- thanks for all your reps) Kev.

 

[Kevin007]

lol, why do you 2 have the same avatar?

 

[Dr.3D]

lol, why do you 2 have the same avatar?

We don't, I'm the brains of the outfit and he is the bad giraffe.

 

[William Tell]

lol, why do you 2 have the same avatar?

We don't Backstory in these threads:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457478-The-Ban
www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458059-Badgiraffe!!!

 

[Kevin007]

We don't Backstory in these threads:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457478-The-Ban
www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458059-Badgiraffe!!!

lol, cool.. I'm catching up. I haven't posted much lately- been working a lot again But it is nice to see some Believer's on here

 

[lilymc]

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there is so much wrong with your post, I'll just reply to this. Jesus isn't talking to Believer's here. He is speaking to FALSE teachers (who preached in His name, cast out demons)- even the devil can do that. Jesus says I NEVER knew you. Meaning He never knew the person. If you are saved, He sure does know you!

I agree, but I want to add something here.

They were false teachers, but we can also see in verse 22 that they were people who had a works-based mentality and relied on works.

Because they said, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?"

They were never saved in the first place, because they thought their works would save them, and we are not saved by works!

Here is the important part for the EO people to think about.

If salvation was something you could lose, then Jesus would have said, "I once knew you, but I don't anymore." But that's not what He said.

He said, “I never knew you.” So those people in Matt 7:21 who think that they're saved but they're not are not people who were once saved and then lost their salvation. They're people who trusted in their works, instead of trusting in JESUS and having a true, living faith that HE paid the price for us!

Any church that teaches you have to do this, that, the other, go through this ceremony, then go through this other ceremony, then strive and keep doing good deeds, and keep listening to what the black robed priests say, and follow this, that or the other is calling God a liar.

We are saved by Grace, through faith. Not by works, so no one can boast.

Works inevitably follow a genuine, living faith! It's not that someone can say a few magic words (without having a true faith) and then continue to sin for the rest of their life. That is a huge misunderstanding of salvation. That is typically what atheists and unbelievers think Christianity is about.

A person who falls away and supposedly "loses their salvation" was never actually saved /regenerated in the first place.

 

[lilymc]

Jesus confirmed OSAS. I don't care what tradition says; I care what Jesus said.

AMEN! That about sums it up, for me too.

Oh, and btw: Kevin007 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

 

[Kevin007]

AMEN! That about sums it up, for me too.

Oh, and btw: Kevin007 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

thanks Lily.

 

[lilymc]

me neither! I believe in Jesus Christ and His Church, all true Believer's.

Exactly! That's the true Church.

Amen, and I couldn't agree more.

For some reason I feel like sharing this video. True believers all over the world, in different languages. We are brothers and sisters, not because of belonging to an earthly institution, not because of religion or churchiness, but because we BELIEVE IN, LOVE and have FAITH in Jesus!!!

(please watch the whole thing.... it's worth it)

 

[Kevin007]

nice video......Love that song. My fav all time is this one though.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8w7mGug0c

 

[heavenlyboy34]

me neither! I believe in Jesus Christ and His Church, all true Believer's.

The body of Christ (believers) is not the Church.