Marine Corp veteran Brandon Raub arrested last night

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I keep telling you this but I don't think you get it yet. We're all on their lists. He was simply at the top of the list.

Ding ding ding. Yep. And it will only get easier to be on the list, or next on the list, unless more people start talking.

 

[TruckinMike]

Saying "sever some heads" on FB is a bad idea. LE does have a point.

Sorry, But I',m not buying it. Thats typical internet banter on 2ndAm, freedom, and liberty oriented forums. This guy hasn't said anything that could be consider as a REAL threat. Its not like he was conspiring with some folks to bomb a building, take hostages, and then "sever their heads".

Get real folks - do not fall prey to the "that sounds too radical for me" PC crowd that are too beat down to even have a political discussion. There are thousands upon thousands of post like this fellows all over the web ---- and I haven't seen a rash of beheadings -- have you??

TMike

 

[Nickwanz]

On further inspection it seems he wanted them to come get him, like he knew the last few things he said would raise red flags. I think he knew the "men at his door" would be feds.....like he wanted to draw attention to how we are all being watched, and how we can be taken away.

 

[MJU1983]

Looks like we share a handful of the same "friends".

 

[sailingaway]

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/hot-ron-paul-supporter-grabbed-by-police.html

lots in there ^^

including a video of the not-arrest-but-taking-for-involuntary-psychiatric-evaluation per the article.

 

[sailingaway]

Apparently his brother (?) started a new twitter acct and is putting out stuff, he's at John Randolph in Hopewell, near Richmond and there is a hearing Monday around 10:30.

https://twitter.com/RaubBrent

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Apparently his brother (?) started a new twitter acct and is putting out stuff, he's at John Randolph in Hopewell, near Richmond and there is a hearing Monday around 10:30.

https://twitter.com/RaubBrent

Thanks sailingaway, following, rt'ing, and posted on FB.

 

[chris41336]

I think this is fairly cut and dry.

Our marvelous federal government has a way of "giving opportunities" to those who they deem would be terrorists or commit acts of terror. They have done this with young, extremist-linked Muslims where they get in contact with them and tell them that they want to help (disguised as some other group) and want to provide them with weapons, etc., to accomplish their goals. They then set a meeting time and such and when they get there, they get arrested for attempt to commit terrorist acts. This has happened in the past. IMO, it is a type of entrapment but that's neither here nor there.

So what I think happened here based on what is on this guy's wall, is that he is a bit out of his mind, likely due to PTSD. He says all this stuff about a revolution on FB, etc., and behind the scenes actually plots and plans ways to make this happen. Contacts people. They get him other contacts. He thinks that a revolution is starting (meanwhile, it is the Feds leading him on) until the "revolutionaries" finally say "we will come over and bring weapons and really get the revolution started. What do you think? We can kill xxxx as a start." to which he likely replied in the affirmative.

Then, the Feds had all the ground they needed to swoop in and arrest him at the fake meeting.

People, we have an actual Revolution to win. Let us not waste time on those who would make our group as a whole seem crazy. At least not until we are in a safer spot than we are now.

 

[sailingaway]

I think this is fairly cut and dry.

Our marvelous federal government has a way of "giving opportunities" to those who they deem would be terrorists or commit acts of terror. They have done this with young, extremist-linked Muslims where they get in contact with them and tell them that they want to help (disguised as some other group) and want to provide them with weapons, etc., to accomplish their goals. They then set a meeting time and such and when they get there, they get arrested for attempt to commit terrorist acts. This has happened in the past. IMO, it is a type of entrapment but that's neither here nor there.

So what I think happened here based on what is on this guy's wall, is that he is a bit out of his mind, likely due to PTSD. He says all this stuff about a revolution on FB, etc., and behind the scenes actually plots and plans ways to make this happen. Contacts people. They get him other contacts. He thinks that a revolution is starting (meanwhile, it is the Feds leading him on) until the "revolutionaries" finally say "we will come over and bring weapons and really get the revolution started. What do you think? We can kill xxxx as a start." to which he likely replied in the affirmative.

Then, the Feds had all the ground they needed to swoop in and arrest him at the fake meeting.

People, we have an actual Revolution to win. Let us not waste time on those who would make our group as a whole seem crazy. At least not until we are in a safer spot than we are now.

but by all means let's make up a back story to make a guy dragged off against his will for psychiatric evaluation seem crazier than we know he is?

If the govt doesn't want normal people passing all this around on the internet they should immediately get rid of NDAA Sec. 1021 and HR 347 and the Patriot Act and other laws which normal people can easily imagine being erroneously used against themselves for merely excersizing free speech.

 

[pcosmar]

File this story and remember it if this guy is trotted out as a shooter in some contrived event in the future.
There is no way of knowing what they are doing to him. (drugging/programing).

I can't help thinking there is an iceberg here and we only see the tip.

 

[chris41336]

but by all means let's make up a back story to make a guy dragged off against his will for psychiatric evaluation seem crazier than we know he is?

If the govt doesn't want normal people passing all this around on the internet they should immediately get rid of NDAA Sec. 1021 and HR 347 and the Patriot Act and other laws which normal people can easily imagine being erroneously used against themselves for merely excersizing free speech.

I'm not excusing what the government did, nor the fact that we sadly live in a nation where someone like him cannot speak his mind without fear of being dragged for psychic evaluation.

What I am saying is that we need to let things like this empower us to know that we are fighting for the right cause, and divert that energy into more important things such as running for office and supporting those who believe in liberty.

At the end of the day, these military goons support who is in power. If we have liberty lovers in power, then and only then will this nonsense end.

 

[sailingaway]

Nothing about making it visible if something like this happens detracts from supporting good candidates where we see them.

 

[Dr.3D]

Apparently his brother (?) started a new twitter acct and is putting out stuff, he's at John Randolph in Hopewell, near Richmond and there is a hearing Monday around 10:30.

https://twitter.com/RaubBrent

His brother... or someone acting as his brother? One has to wonder in a situation like this.

 

[ravedown]

think of facebook as a billboard on the side of a busy freeway- if i post a picture of myself holding a rifle, with a quote about starting a revolution, severing heads and 'coming for you' on the billboard....i'd expect a visit sooner or later. this isn't too surprising.

 

[Indy Vidual]

think of facebook as a billboard on the side of a busy freeway- if i post a picture of myself holding a rifle, with a quote about starting a revolution, severing heads and 'coming for you' on the billboard....i'd expect a visit sooner or later. this isn't too surprising.

Agreed. If he posted all that, then he clearly went too far.

 

[sailingaway]

think of facebook as a billboard on the side of a busy freeway- if i post a picture of myself holding a rifle, with a quote about starting a revolution, severing heads and 'coming for you' on the billboard....i'd expect a visit sooner or later. this isn't too surprising.

except it isn't anything like a billboard by a freeway. It is something people do to share with friends and like minded folks from the privacy of their homes and unless you cross their interests you would have no reason to see it at all. I don't use it, because I know it is such a data mining boondoggle, but that is how people think of it, much more like email, which you 'can' also get into, much less like a 'billboard'.

I didn't read the severing heads or coming for you business, but I read all kinds of macho crap posted as a mod that doesn't seriously make me think people are about to take action, and I think that is pretty common. Yes, I delete it, or issue warnings, but that is BECAUSE the situation is twisted against the first amendment imho. I think it should take more than that to drag someone off for forced psych evaluation. It is just that, of course, I can't be sure they didn't have more that we just aren't aware of. I sure hope as hell for the state of this country that they did have more.

 

[Lucille]

ZH Guest Post: Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

First the establishment started going after current serving military men for their outspoken political views on Facebook and other web venues, men like Marine Sergeant Gary Stein. Now, it seems the government is going after veterans as well. This is the classic pattern of a burgeoning totalitarian state; attack a small group first (outspoken serving military) which the public ignores because it affects them little personally, then slowly expand out to eventually include everyone else. To all those insipid bottom feeders out there who refused to defend Gary Stein's right to free speech, here is what you have wrought. Because of your ignorance, the government has been able to set a social precedent which they now plan to apply to a whole new group of people, starting with former Marine Brandon Raub. The common statist slave will give the typical coward's response, which would sound a little something like this:

"...When are people going to learn that Facebook isn't private? You would have to be stupid to express such views where everyone can see..."

"They didn't arrest him, they just 'detained' him..."

"He's former military and should be 'ashamed' of his comments against the government., blah blah blah, etc..."

The bottom line is, the 1st Amendment is NOT conditional. ALL speech must be protected, no matter who you are, or where you happen to be speaking. Just because our current criminal government decides 1st Amendment protections do not apply to Facebook does not mean they have the authority to make such distinctions. In fact, the Constitution explicitly outlines how they are restricted from making such distinctions. If a government entity, ANY government entity, attempts to violate Constitutional restrictions, it must be removed by any means necessary.

Take note that the FBI used the accusation of "terrorist threats" by Brandon Raub as an excuse for the arrest even though there is no indication that any actual threats were present on his Facebook page.

(Brandon's comments included observations that 9-11 was done by the government (even going to such length, and an interestingly detailed thesis, of providing evidence to augment this), the War on Terror is a lie, Americans are killing innocent people in the ME, the current federal banking system is corrupt and unfeasible to Americans, and that the George Bush's family rapes little children)

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august192012/marine-fakcebook-arrest-t.php

I would say that all of these claims have enough circumstantial evidence behind them to warrant a serious independent investigation, and even if they didn't, there is no law against "conspiracy theory", at least not yet...

The police and FBI also failed to read Raub his Miranda Rights. Could this be one of the first public instances of the enforcement of NDAA detainment provisions against a U.S. citizen as a so called "domestic terrorist"? You know, those detainment provisions that Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs alike claim "don't exist"?

My question for the statist slaves is, how soon will it be before they get to you? Do you really believe your complacency and apathy will save you? Has that kind of philosophy saved any slave under any other tyranny of the past? This is NOT a free country anymore, and if we do not act to defend each individual who suffers under the weight of bureaucratic oppression, then everyone will lose everything. It is time to pick a side.

 

[ravedown]

many sites (including this one) have made it very clear the homeland security is filtering content on facebook and twitter for just this kind of red flag. this guy just did the government a big favor....he said (allegedly) all the right things to get a visit and allow the MSM to call out another potential 'would-be terrorist' has been caught. the system works! i don't agree with it of course- i think it's bullshit what happened to this guy. had he been a friend or family member of mine....i would have definitely told him to watch his back posting that stuff...the feds and local cops are hypersensitive and can't wait to make an example out of people like this.

 

[pcosmar]

many sites (including this one) have made it very clear the homeland security is filtering content on facebook and twitter for just this kind of red flag. this guy just did the government a big favor....he said (allegedly) all the right things to get a visit and allow the MSM to call out another potential 'would-be terrorist' has been caught. the system works! i don't agree with it of course- i think it's bullshit what happened to this guy. had he been a friend or family member of mine....i would have definitely told him to watch his back posting that stuff...the feds and local cops are hypersensitive and can't wait to make an example out of people like this.

Then we are screwed.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

“First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end. The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought.”—Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”— Harry Truman

And this,

“If large numbers of people believe in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it. But if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect them.”—George Orwell,

 

[idiom]

I wouldn't email or PM that sort of thing if I was American.

This is a country that fingerprints every single visitor. It is a full blown police state. It is however a modern 'democratic' police state. One boils the frogs extremely slowly so that any frog that notices get called an idiot by the other frogs.