Marco Rubio Money Bomb July 4th

It's a viable criticism. If Bob Smith is not going to poll near the top of the field it's important to reconsider.

I don't think Smith is perfect. But this line seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy. At this early stage, it's not too late for anyone to change their minds later. Why not get behind the constitutionalist and see if you can build enough support to prove the nay sayers wrong? Or at least try to make him enough of a factor to give constitutionalism a spotlight and force the two establishment guys to take a stand one way or the other? Then if your efforts don't work out and Smith never rises above 3%, you can always hold your nose and vote for Rubio in the primary if you really think he's any less bad than Crist.

I'm still waiting for any evidence that Rubio is even the slightest bit less bad than Crist. So far I haven't seen any.
 
It's a viable criticism. If Bob Smith is not going to poll near the top of the field it's important to reconsider.

principles over viability. vote what you believe in, always.

voting for lesser of evils has been debunked many times on this forum.

Democracy hinges on the concept of the people having a voice in their government. What is the result of a citizenry who does NOT vote for what they believe in? Obviously, a government that the people DO NOT want. Democracy has no meaning if you do not vote for what you believe in.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=153073
 
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principles over viability. vote what you believe in, always.

Principles don't mean a damn thing if you're not viable. Vote what best serves your interest, which isn't necessarily a vote for what you believe in.


voting for lesser of evils has been debunked many times on this forum.

Don't even attempt to say that the strategic value of the lesser evil vote has been debunked.
 
Can any of the Rubio supporters here even give us any specific reasons for why he is more deserving of the support of RP supporters than Crist is?

If you can't even meet such a low standard as showing just that, than there's no point in even bringing him up here. And so far I've seen no evidence that any of you can.
 
I just heard Marco Rubio might be switching to the attorney general's race for Florida.
 
I just heard Marco Rubio might be switching to the attorney general's race for Florida.

Who wants to bet that if he does, in his announcement he'll talk about how great of a Senate candidate Crist is, and how he realized he didn't want to make it any harder for him to get elected.
 
Can any of the Rubio supporters here even give us any specific reasons for why he is more deserving of the support of RP supporters than Crist is?

If you can't even meet such a low standard as showing just that, than there's no point in even bringing him up here. And so far I've seen no evidence that any of you can.

He isn't Crist.

Because, as Dick Armey says .... With Democrats now possessing a 60-seat filibuster-proof Senate majority, the last thing America needs is another vote for a second round of stimulus waste, additional burdens on taxpayers, cap-and-trade schemes and liberal judges."

Rubio is running on an amnesty, small government platform, business friendly platform.

YouTube - Rubio Embraces Conservative Underdog Role In FL Senate Race


Perhaps your energy would be better spent telling us who we *should* support than who we shouldn't. But I'm not a Florida voter, so my support isn't anything more than posturing.

Mary Ann (Scribbler) has shown us pictures of herself with Pappa Bush and Gingrich, among others. Are you going to work to toss her out of the movement next?
 
The question is whether Rubio is a big-government Republican or not.

That's actually only one question. There are others, like "who else is running?"

And we're still talking about the primary. Even if a libertarian is on the general election ballot, knocking Crist off the GOP ticket would be a good move for the libertarians.
 
Perhaps your energy would be better spent telling us who we *should* support than who we shouldn't. But I'm not a Florida voter, so my support isn't anything more than posturing.

I'm already on the record in this thread saying that I'd take Bob Smith over Crist or Rubio. However, as far as whom CFL supports in any active way (either officially or us as a movement in an unofficial way), I don't think it would be a good idea to make a point of getting behind a candidate in every single race, even if there aren't any that are close to where the CFL stands. I can understand how CFL members in Florida may have to hold their noses and vote for Rubio, hoping he's not so bad. But that's different than pumping money bombs for him here as though he's a Ron Paul candidate in any sense at all. I think that when it comes to us as a movement choosing those candidates whom we really want to back in an active nationwide push with money bombs and such, we should focus on a handful of the very best and not water it down to every lesser-of-two-evils candidate in every GOP primary.

As for Rubio having a small government platform, I have not seen any evidence that he does. I'm confident that he, like almost every Republican, claims to have a "small government," "business friendly" platform. But when they say that, they generally define the phrase "small government" in such a way that it actually means anything but that. And generally, when they say "business friendly" they have an idea of being business friendly that involves more big government. If Rubio doesn't advocate getting rid of any existing federal departments or agencies, or repealing any existing laws, or cutting the size of the federal budget year over year, then he's not actually for small government in any fair sense. And I highly doubt he's for any of those.
 
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The CFL won't endorse candidates. That's not even an issue.

I think that when it comes to us as a movement choosing those candidates whom we really want to back in an active nationwide push with money bombs and such, we should focus on a handful of the very best and not water it down to every lesser-of-two-evils candidate in every GOP primary.

But the thing is, you don't get to choose who the members try to raise money for. Don't like it? Don't donate. Better yet, go start a PAC.

You hijacked somebody else's thread and accomplished nothing. If I wasn't broke, I'd donate to Rubio just to tick you off.

Nobody cares that you don't like Rubio. Get it? We're all grown ups here - capable of making our own choices about which candidates deserve our money.
 
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The CFL won't endorse candidates. That's not even an issue.



But the thing is, you don't get to choose who the members try to raise money for. Don't like it? Don't donate. Better yet, go start a PAC.

You hijacked somebody else's thread and accomplished nothing. If I wasn't broke, I'd donate to Rubio just to tick you off.

Nobody cares that you don't like Rubio. Get it? We're all grown ups here - capable of making our own choices about which candidates deserve our money.

I don't know if the CFL will endorse candidates or not. It is a 501 c 4, so it at least can endorse them. My understanding is that the endorsement policy differs from state to state within the organization.

At any rate, regarding any given action on behalf of a candidate by the Ron Paul movement, whether its official or unofficial, my opinion is as valid as anyone else's, and this forum is as appropriate of a place for it as anywhere else. Of course if any troll wants to come here and try to get people to donate money to candidates like Rubio, Crist, Specter, McCain, Lindsey Graham, Obama, or whomever, they are free to do that and to donate to them. But when they do that, they should not be surprised to find themselves dressed down by the Ron Paul supporters here who want to make sure that these forums are used as a tool for the advancement of our movement over against the Republican/Democrat big government establishment. There's no such thing as hijacking threads. I have no idea if anyone cares if we Ron Paul supporters like Rubio or not. I'm sure some do and some don't. But this is a discussion forum, and the topic of this thread is Rubio. So it should come as no surprise to anyone that diversities of opinion about Rubio would be discussed here, nor should it come as any surprise that the opinions of those like me who belong to the Ron Paul wing of the GOP will be included, given the nature of this website. What should come as a surprise to people is the idea that just anybody can come in here pumping up just any candidate, no matter what their positions are, and not have others disagree with them.

As for my participation in this thread accomplishing anything, that was entirely up to the Rubio supporters. I challenged them quite some time ago to provide any evidence at all that Rubio would be less bad than Crist, and they never came up with any. If that is the same as accomplishing nothing, then that's on them, not me. But in my eyes, something was accomplished, since I think it's fair to say that if they had any evidence they would have provided it, and therefore there is no reason to think Rubio is less bad than Crist. Learning that fact is an accomplishment worth noting, at least to me, even if not to someone else.
 
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bob smith is far more aligned with us

Nobody's talking about him being 100% Ron Paul, at least I'm certainly not. But is he anything like Ron Paul at all? If we don't have any reason to think so, then why even talk about giving him money here? Let him come out with some serious anti-establishment positions, then we can talk.

I don't think Bob Smith is perfect. But he at least gives me enough to go on that I know he'll buck the GOP establishment and takes the Constitution seriously. Unless Rubio gives us some actual reason to think he's better than Smith, then I can't see why RP folks would bother giving him the time of day.

Yah bob smith is far more aligned, past NH senator, on POW hearings with mccain...where he learned to totally not like the guy for how he treated the families...

Doesnt hurt to be about 6 ft 5 when you walk into the room.
 
actually bob smith knows these guys

Face it. Nobody except possibly Chuck Baldwin is fit to be a Ron Paul candidate.

There's no Ron Paul candidate in the running.

Rubio is by far the most fiscal conservative of the two. Not sure where he stands on social issues.

actually bob knows the pauls and baldwins
 
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