Marco Rubio Is NOT Eligible To Be President or VP

[John F Kennedy III]

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Does the bolded part mean Rubio IS eligible? It would seem so as long as he is a citizen of the United States.

Or do we need to define original intent of the word "citizen"?

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Does the bolded part mean Rubio IS eligible? It would seem so as long as he is a citizen of the United States.

Or do we need to define original intent of the word "citizen"?

Some say there is a difference between Citizen and citizen.

 

[69360]

The intent of the natural born citizen clause was to prevent having a CIC of the military with a foreign allegiance. If you think Rubio is eligible simply because he was born here to non citizen parents, what's to stop a North Korean, Iranian, Russian etc from sneaking across the border and giving birth to a child who could be a sleeper agent and eligible to be our president? What if a situation arose where we had to bomb Cuba? Would Rubio be able to order it or does he have other allegiances? The intent was very clear and Rubio is not eligible just for passing out a vagina on US soil.

 

[UMULAS]

While it's altogether possible that SCOTUS will decide that it means something totally different than what it actually means (and in fact doing that would be par for the course for SCOTUS), it is not the case that the phrase doesn't have an actual set meaning. Nor is it the case that it has to be defined in the Constitution to have a meaning. If that were true, then the Constitution could never mean anything at all no matter what it said, since it would have to define all of its own language, including the language it uses when it defines other language.



So if SCOTUS were to rule that Arnold makes the cut, SCOTUS would be wrong.

The constitution was made to be flexible and interpreted by many so it would have been able to keep the republic alive; there is no strict interpretation of the Constitution. There is still no information stating what do we define a person that is "born here", can it be a person living here for x number of years that would be able to grant them natural born citizenship; the constitution doesn't say, it was left for interpretation, so if SCOTUS defines it, then they are correct.

 

[UMULAS]

The intent of the natural born citizen clause was to prevent having a CIC of the military with a foreign allegiance. If you think Rubio is eligible simply because he was born here to non citizen parents, what's to stop a North Korean, Iranian, Russian etc from sneaking across the border and giving birth to a child who could be a sleeper agent and eligible to be our president? What if a situation arose where we had to bomb Cuba? Would Rubio be able to order it or does he have other allegiances? The intent was very clear and Rubio is not eligible just for passing out a vagina on US soil.

So what? Should we prohibit black people from running office just because there is a good chance that one of them has hate towards white people due to the era of Slavery? You can be an American with five other generations of American blood, but that will not mean you are a patriot; you can even be a terrorist or just have allegiance with any other country

EDIT:

I am not a racist, just giving an example of how crazy of excluding a group of people for "safety".

 

[Valli6]

when dual loyalties exist, which country will come first?

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Does the bolded part mean Rubio IS eligible? It would seem so as long as he is a citizen of the United States.

Or do we need to define original intent of the word "citizen"?

I believe the sentence is supposed to be read this way:

No person except a natural born Citizen,
or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
shall be eligible to the Office of President;

The founders intended that a only natural born citizen be president. However, "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" (1787), the founders themselves had all been born British subjects, even though they may have been born on this continent. They did not consider themselves natural born citizens, so needed to exclude themselves from this rule in order to have men eligible for the presidency in the early years.

Rubio was not born in the late 1700's, so he needs to be more than "a Citizen of the United States" to qualify - he needs to be a "natural born" Citizen of the United States.

The fact that his parents were not American citizens when he was born here, calls into question whether or not he can be considered a "natural born" citizen. This is about dual loyalties. Traditionally, citizenship is conferred on a child through the parents, or just the father. This point can be argued, but it is wrong to simply ignore the Constitution's intent or to ridicule those who point out the fact.

That said, the establishment prefers to distract from the citizenship issue with misinformation and ridicule. I have little doubt they'd be happy to simply legalize swapping our own corrupt leaders with those of other countries, making it easier to maintain a single, ongoing power structure worldwide. (Kind of like it seems now.)

This is certainly not the best issue to lead an attack with - and there is so much other evidence of this man's incompetence to focus on, I say drop it... at least for now.

 

[69360]

So what? Should we prohibit black people from running office just because there is a good chance that one of them has hate towards white people due to the era of Slavery? You can be an American with five other generations of American blood, but that will not mean you are a patriot; you can even be a terrorist or just have allegiance with any other country.

Nonetheless, the intent is clear. It's not perfect of course, you can have people like John Walker Lindh who turn against their country despite being a natural born citizens. But being a child of citizens you statistically are many many times more likely to be loyal to your country of birth than a child of non-citizen parents. So the natural born clause as written and intended by the founding fathers is very effective.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Does the bolded part mean Rubio IS eligible? It would seem so as long as he is a citizen of the United States.

Or do we need to define original intent of the word "citizen"?

"or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"

That was to cover people that were citizens at that time but not necessarily natural born citizens. How many citizens were natural born then? (father and mother citizens and them born here)?

edit: ^^ I see Valli6 covered this already ^^

I have a question, does the constitution say that your parents need to be here legally for a person to be born here and be a citizen?

 

[UMULAS]

Nonetheless, the intent is clear. It's not perfect of course, you can have people like John Walker Lindh who turn against their country despite being a natural born citizens. But being a child of citizens you statistically are many many times more likely to be loyal to your country of birth than a child of non-citizen parents. So the natural born clause as written and intended by the founding fathers is very effective.

Oh, we are using "statistics" now are we? We might as well exclude blacks due to the civil war, Jews due to Israel, Muslims due to the Middle East, and LGBT due to hate crimes in the South. The intent is clear, it is for aristocracy; a person did not choose where they were to be born, but they can choose to whose allegiance they want to be with.

This is idea for the sake of "safety" is startling; we might as well have no rights and extend the Patriot act and the NDAA in order to have more "safety".

Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both - Benjamin Franklin

EDIT: Not a racist, just giving an example.

 

[hillertexas]

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So what? Should we prohibit black people from running office...

We might as well exclude blacks due to the civil war,

It's interesting that you are so preoccupied with "blacks" as if that has anything to do with the question at hand. You do realize that us discussing Marco Rubio's eligibility has nothing to do with his skin color, right?

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

The intent of the natural born citizen clause was to prevent having a CIC of the military with a foreign allegiance. If you think Rubio is eligible simply because he was born here to non citizen parents, what's to stop a North Korean, Iranian, Russian etc from sneaking across the border and giving birth to a child who could be a sleeper agent and eligible to be our president? What if a situation arose where we had to bomb Cuba? Would Rubio be able to order it or does he have other allegiances? The intent was very clear and Rubio is not eligible just for passing out a vagina on US soil.

I didn't realize Marco Rubio had become a villain from 24.

 

[69360]

It's interesting that you are so preoccupied with "blacks" as if that has anything to do with the question at hand. You do realize that us discussing Marco Rubio's eligibility has nothing to do with his skin color, right?

He's preoccupied with black/brown/pink/blue people because it's a lot easier to call somebody a racist than follow the constitution as it was written and intended.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I believe the sentence is supposed to be read this way:

The founders intended that a only natural born citizen be president. However, "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" (1787), the founders themselves had all been born British subjects, even though they may have been born on this continent. They did not consider themselves natural born citizens, so needed to exclude themselves from this rule in order to have men eligible for the presidency in the early years.

Rubio was not born in the late 1700's, so he needs to be more than "a Citizen of the United States" to qualify - he needs to be a "natural born" Citizen of the United States.

The fact that his parents were not American citizens when he was born here, calls into question whether or not he can be considered a "natural born" citizen. This is about dual loyalties. Traditionally, citizenship is conferred on a child through the parents, or just the father. This point can be argued, but it is wrong to simply ignore the Constitution's intent or to ridicule those who point out the fact.

That said, the establishment prefers to distract from the citizenship issue with misinformation and ridicule. I have little doubt they'd be happy to simply legalize swapping our own corrupt leaders with those of other countries, making it easier to maintain a single, ongoing power structure worldwide. (Kind of like it seems now.)

This is certainly not the best issue to lead an attack with - and there is so much other evidence of this man's incompetence to focus on, I say drop it... at least for now.

I've dropped it as something I will use unless I ever end up meeting someone who likes Rubio, but also wants to be 100% sure their President is actually qualified to hold the office. Or we stumble upon 1000% undeniable proof that he wasn't born on anything that can be considered U.S. Soil *crosses fingers*

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Wouldn't it be glorious if the Constitution was written like this:

No person except:

1. A natural born Citizen
2. A Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution

Shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


Also I have a question: If you have to be a natural born citizen, why is there a 14 year clause?

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

 

[cindy25]

Wouldn't it be glorious if the Constitution was written like this:

No person except:

1. A natural born Citizen
2. A Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution

Shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


Also I have a question: If you have to be a natural born citizen, why is there a 14 year clause?

so someone could not be born in the USA, leave after that,and then suddenly come back and be president.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

so someone could not be born in the USA, leave after that,and then suddenly come back and be president.

Thank you.

 

[libertariantexas]

There's no such thing as a native-born citizen according to the Constitution. There's natural born (as in - was a citizen when born) and naturalized (As in, became a citizen by being granted the status by a court.)

And there's also no legal precedent for your definition that I'm aware of, while my definition has hundreds of years of American and English common law. Rubio was born here, he's eligible.

Sorry JFK, but even though I realize this won't change anybody's mind, this isn't Ron Paul's position on the issue, and honestly, makes us look like nutjobs.

Any attempt to keep Rubio out by claiming some esoteric argument of "not natural born" will be about as likely to fly as the birther nonsense against Obama. A small number of Conspiracy Theorists and extremist partisan nut jobs will believe it, and everyone else will ignore them.

Anyone born in this country will be considered eligible. If you don't like him, convince people to vote against him.

This CT nonsense is pointless.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Any attempt to keep Rubio out by claiming some esoteric argument of "not natural born" will be about as likely to fly as the birther nonsense against OThe bama. A small number of Conspiracy Theorists and extremist partisan nut jobs will believe it, and everyone else will ignore them.

It is not "as likely". Most Americans probably would agree that if Obama was born in Kenya he wouldn't be eligible to be President. The reason that never flew was because of lack of proof of what was being alleged. So there was at least a sliver of hope for the birthers. If they could have ever come up with solid proof Obama was Kenyan, they would have won the day. The Rubio issue is different. Almost no one in America, including the judiciary, accepts the OP's extremely restrictive definition of "natural born citizen". The birther argument carrying the day was unlikely. This argument carrying the day is utterly and completely inconceivable.

 

[UMULAS]

It's interesting that you are so preoccupied with "blacks" as if that has anything to do with the question at hand. You do realize that us discussing Marco Rubio's eligibility has nothing to do with his skin color, right?

I have no concern what so ever based on a someone's nationality, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, gender, color, height..; if they do the job well done then their is nothing to complain about. The reason why I said that was someone posted that their must be "safety" to be introduced in case of a person to be born here and hijack it to their natural country; it is absurd to believe that since anything crazy can happen such as a person whose family members were slaves in the civil war and the person running for President is still angered by this and will attack Whites.

Does that mean that people who are black can't run for Executive office due to "safety", of course the can. We must all look at the cases of the individual, not the lesser importance such as his color, race, nationality..etc. If Ron Paul was an immigrant I would have still supported him to run for office. I do not like Rubio, but attacking him with this will only cause collateral damage.

 

[jtap]

The intent of the natural born citizen clause was to prevent having a CIC of the military with a foreign allegiance. If you think Rubio is eligible simply because he was born here to non citizen parents, what's to stop a North Korean, Iranian, Russian etc from sneaking across the border and giving birth to a child who could be a sleeper agent and eligible to be our president? What if a situation arose where we had to bomb Cuba? Would Rubio be able to order it or does he have other allegiances? The intent was very clear and Rubio is not eligible just for passing out a vagina on US soil.

What's to stop them? My guess is the 35 years they have to wait for them to be eligible to pull off their clever ruse.