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Thanks. Is it verified that neither of Rubio's parents were citizens when he was born?
Marco Rubio Is NOT Eligible To Be President or VP
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Thanks. Is it verified that neither of Rubio's parents were citizens when he was born?
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Mitt Romney was too eligible. His father was still an American Citizen (their family never gave up their citizenship) and Mitt was born in America.
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And so were American Indians, and they aren't citizens even under the 14th (or at least weren't traditionally).
Being born in a country doesn't make you a citizen, otherwise diplomats or illegals who aren't citizens would have babies that were, and then would go back to their country to raise them - and they wouldn't be citizens of their own countries. Absurd. Even the 14th says "you have to be under the jurisdiction of", and you aren't if your parents aren't.
But traditionally, it was simply by inheritance. Just like the Constitution says "ourselves and our Posterity" in the pre-amble.
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I know he wants to, and if he could I think he would win easily. When the truth is finally revealed that Obama was born in Kenya and therefore was ineligible to be president, Obama's supporters will go nuts if they try to remove him. To appease them they will try to change the Constitution so anyone that has been a citizen for at least 30 years or so is eligible to be President of the USA. I know he sucked as Governor of California, but most people that vote don't care about facts like that. Obama sucked as US Senator and a State Senator as well as President of the USA for 4 years, yet most people didn't care.
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He can never be president. He has an accent.
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Agree. I am of the belief that Republican association with this argument helped, rather than hindered, the re-election of Obama.
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Too much time is wasted on this "are they eligible citizens to be president" crap. Why have tiers of citizenship anyway? If a person becomes an American why not let them be eligible for president? Isn't the fact that it costs almost a billion dollars to become president enough of a blockade already?
It seems hypocritical that the process that people go through to become an American doesn't make you as qualified as "native-born citizens". Why not? what was the intent and reason behind this rule? Too much time is wasted on arguing this. I say get rid of that requirement. Nothing will really change if all American citizens over the age of 35 who have lived here for 14 years are eligible...well some things will change; threads like this, people being portrayed as crazy for wanting to know the truth and maybe (hopefully) Donald Trump, will go away.
It seems hypocritical that the process that people go through to become an American doesn't make you as qualified as "native-born citizens". Why not? what was the intent and reason behind this rule? Too much time is wasted on arguing this. I say get rid of that requirement. Nothing will really change if all American citizens over the age of 35 who have lived here for 14 years are eligible...well some things will change; threads like this, people being portrayed as crazy for wanting to know the truth and maybe (hopefully) Donald Trump, will go away.
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"Our founding fathers were worried about infiltration and especially British subjects wheedling their way into power and then undermining everything they fought for in the Revolutionary War. They most clearly were concerned with people having been born with dual loyalties getting into the presidency and then taking us to war or using America with other countries interest in mind. And at worst they were worried about sabotage.
Almost anyone can be a senator, a congressman, a lobbyist... they can be a billionaire banker. They just can't be president with dual loyalties. Justice John Jay (one of our founding fathers) wrote George Washington about this very thing during the writing of the constitution. You can read his letter online.
We are a very inclusionary government. Name some other country's government that will allow you to be President, King, Dictator, or whatever without being natural born or basically an inside dude. They do this so they don't get toppled by infiltrators."
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Oh because we have loyalists in Congress
Our founding fathers did not include this, this was after the civil war. If there is a person that is loyal to our country AND wants to run for any office, then they should.
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No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
-Article II, Section 1 U.S. Constitution
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How does that exclude Rubio? Was he born in the US? Yes. He's eligible.
They did not define natural born citizen, therefore it can be as that a person living here for 30 years (any number really) can be a naturally born citizen.
And in the 14th Amendment Section 1 States:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So if they are naturalized, then they have the right to run for President.
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How can a naturalized citizen be born a citizen?
Starting 'birther' crap with Rubio would be a mistake. They'll paint all his detractors as cooks and him as the reasonable choice, try to make him out to be the Republican Obama. He was born in the United States and most people would be consider him a natural born citizen. We can beat him on the issues, don't fall for their traps.
Simple, after a x number of years a person can be granted the same rights as a natural born citizen.
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