Marco Rubio Is NOT Eligible To Be President or VP

[John F Kennedy III]

We need to spread this truth far and wide between now and 2016. Here in this thread I need your help constructing the best argument possible plus all known evidence.

This seems to be a good start:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Publius/huldah110.htm

https://constitutionallyspeaking.wo...of-nations-is-the-key-and-it-is-now-verified/

There was some other thread here on RPF the other day that inspired this. Does anyone know which thread that was? I didn't even know Rubio isn't a natural born citizen.

 

[Rudeman]

So if your father is a naturalized citizen and you were born in the US that would make you a natural born citizen, correct? Do both parents need to be citizens? If not would the same apply if it was the mother instead of the father? I'm guessing that was the issue with Obama. I didn't keep up with that stuff.

 

[RickyJ]

If he is not a natural born citizen and Obama isn't either, yet no one does anything about it then what is to stop the man picked by the elite IMO to be the next president of the USA from becoming president in 2016 just because he was a born in Austria? I know the Constitution prohibits it, but they ignore the Constitution so regularly and might even try to change it by 2016 to allow any US citizen to run for president.

I am talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Don't really see the point. Democrats won't find using that kind of thing to their advantage, and Republican partisans will only give a damn when they can use it against Democrats.

 

[truelies]

Don't really see the point. Democrats won't find using that kind of thing to their advantage, and Republican partisans will only give a damn when they can use it against Democrats.

The Repugs were not even willing to seriously raise the Issue regarding BHO. The Reality that McCain R in 2008, Mittens R in 2012 and BHO D 2008 & 2012 are all Constitutionally ineligible to be Prez in exactly the same way is no accident. They were chosen by our Rulers for a pupose.

 

[RickyJ]

The Repugs were not even willing to seriously raise the Issue regarding BHO. The Reality that McCain R in 2008, Mittens R in 2012 and BHO D 2008 & 2012 are all Constitutionally ineligible to be Prez in exactly the same way is no accident. They were chosen by our Rulers for a pupose.

You are right, they want to do away with the natural born requirement to be president of the USA from the Constitution. They usually get what they want despite what the people want so I assume it will be changed before 2016.

 

[marc1888]

So what is a natural born citizen?

 

[Tinnuhana]

Technically, isn't birth on a military base or while stationed on a military base the same as being on USA soil? My oldest nephew supposedly has dual citizenship US/Italian because he was born while my brother was stationed at Vicenza. But I think that's more Italian liberality than US law. It would be a shame if someone was disqualified from the presidency because they were born overseas while their parent was serving the country in the military. Isn't that what happened to McCain?

 

[John of Des Moines]

To be a "natural born" citizen of the united States a person needs to be born to two U.S. citizens and born in one of the several states. If a person is born a U.S. citizen in any other manner then that person is a "native born" citizen (born anywhere else to one or two U.S. citizens) or if the person is born in the united States to a legal resident individual (whether in one of the states or in a place under u.S. jurisdiction - but not on a u.S. commercial ship in non-u.S. waters. )

 

[angelatc]

To be a "natural born" citizen of the united States a person needs to be born to two U.S. citizens and born in one of the several states. If a person is born a U.S. citizen in any other manner then that person is a "native born" citizen (born anywhere else to one or two U.S. citizens) or if the person is born in the united States to a legal resident individual (whether in one of the states or in a place under u.S. jurisdiction - but not on a u.S. commercial ship in non-u.S. waters. )

There's no such thing as a native-born citizen according to the Constitution. There's natural born (as in - was a citizen when born) and naturalized (As in, became a citizen by being granted the status by a court.)

And there's also no legal precedent for your definition that I'm aware of, while my definition has hundreds of years of American and English common law. Rubio was born here, he's eligible.

Sorry JFK, but even though I realize this won't change anybody's mind, this isn't Ron Paul's position on the issue, and honestly, makes us look like nutjobs.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

There's no such thing as a native-born citizen according to the Constitution. There's natural born (as in - was a citizen when born) and naturalized (As in, became a citizen by being granted the status by a court.)

And there's also no legal precedent for your definition that I'm aware of, while my definition has hundreds of years of American and English common law. Rubio was born here, he's eligible.

Sorry JFK, but even though I realize this won't change anybody's mind, this isn't Ron Paul's position on the issue, and honestly, makes us look like nutjobs.

1000% Correct.

Look I know everyone is chomping at the bit to discredit Rubio, but there is no need to do so. We want Rubio to be a strong contender for the nomination, and we want Rand to be able to defeat him without resorting to "low blows" such as questioning his eligibility. We aren't trying to backdoor Rand into the nomination, we want him to win decisively by demonstrating to the voters that he is by far and away the best man for the job.

 

[Confederate]

As long as you're born in the US, you're eligible. Where your parents were born is irrelevant.

 

[fisharmor]

And there's also no legal precedent for your definition that I'm aware of, while my definition has hundreds of years of American and English common law. Rubio was born here, he's eligible.

If we're hanging things on common definitions, then this clause would prevent C-section births from being President, because it wasn't a natural birth.

The reality is that even if it went to SCOTUS (doubtful) they'd simply affirm that he's eligible and that would be the end of it.
It's not like any of those 9 jokers really care what the document says, because it doesn't say "Supreme Court justices get to turn three words into an entire legal doctrine because they're so special".

If they did care what it actually said, then a case like this would get kicked right back to the congress for them to amend the Constitution to say something definitive on the matter.

 

[hillertexas]

There is an ongoing discussion on this here: http://www.dailypaul.com/262411/stop-rubio-now

 

[marc1888]

so does that mean that Thomas Jefferson was not a natural born citizen then?

To be a "natural born" citizen of the united States a person needs to be born to two U.S. citizens and born in one of the several states. If a person is born a U.S. citizen in any other manner then that person is a "native born" citizen (born anywhere else to one or two U.S. citizens) or if the person is born in the united States to a legal resident individual (whether in one of the states or in a place under u.S. jurisdiction - but not on a u.S. commercial ship in non-u.S. waters. )

 

[hillertexas]

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[randomname]

none of these "rules" matter anymore if you were hand-picked by the PTB.

they're only enforced if it's to their advantage, if Rand were born under the circumstances Rubio was, the media would be crying bloody murder about him being ineligible come 2016

 

[matt0611]

none of these "rules" matter anymore if you were hand-picked by the PTB.

they're only enforced if it's to their advantage, if Rand were born under the circumstances Rubio was, the media would be crying bloody murder about him being ineligible come 2016

So true.

Guys, this is a waste of time, even if it were true, it won't go anywhere, you're efforts are probably better spent somewhere else.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

We want Rubio to be a strong contender for the nomination

Please start using the word "I" or be more specific about your "we." I am not in your "we." I don't want Rubio to be a strong contender for anything. He doesn't deserve to be a strong contender for anything. He's as fake as your average politician.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Please start using the word "I" or be more specific about your "we." I am not in your "we." I don't want Rubio to be a strong contender for anything. He doesn't deserve to be a strong contender for anything. He's as fake as your average politician.

Fair enough - I want to see it, we should want to see it, because it benefits the goal. The reason being is that at this time, he is considered one of the top tier contenders, if not the leading contender. A candidate wins mass support in the party, and with Independent voters, by demonstrating he is the best person for the job. Rand can do that.

Rubio performing well, but losing, in the primaries can also help Rand when it comes to chipping away at the 70% of Hispanics that vote Democratic. If Rubio rises to national prominence, he will gain the attention of the Hispanic community. Having someone like Rubio gain popularity within that voting bloc, lose the nomination and then campaign for the nominee would be beneficial. The estimates that I have seen show that there were around 12 million Hispanic voters this year. Being able to get just 10% more of those voters would be a sizable swing.