Many people take dangerously high amounts of ibuprofen

[Zippyjuan]

The government protects them not us, or haven't you figure that out yet?


There are no none side-effects for--- Turmeric, Ginger, Bromelain (enzyme found in pineapple), Ceylon Cinnamon or Magnesium. All anti-inflammatory. Did you also know that the aspirin ingredient can also be found in beans, peas, jasmine and clover? Maybe people should listen to Hippocrates more: “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

Potential tumeric side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-662-turmeric.aspx?activeingredientid=662

Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: During pregnancy and while breast-feeding, turmeric is LIKELY SAFE when taken by mouth in amounts commonly found in food. However, turmeric is LIKELY UNSAFE when taken by mouth in medicinal amounts during pregnancy. It might promote a menstrual period or stimulate the uterus, putting the pregnancy at risk. Do not take medicinal amounts of turmeric if you are pregnant. There is not enough information to rate the safety of medicinal amounts of turmeric during breast-feeding. It is best not to use it.

Gallbladder problems: Turmeric can make gallbladder problems worse. Do not use turmeric if you have gallstones or a bile duct obstruction.

Bleeding problems: Taking turmeric might slow blood clotting. This might increase the risk of bruising and bleeding in people with bleeding disorders.

Diabetes: Curcumin, a chemical in turmeric, might decrease blood sugar in people with diabetes. Use with caution in people with diabetes as it might make blood sugar too low.

A stomach disorder called gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD): Turmeric can cause stomach upset in some people. It might make stomach problems such as GERD worse. Do not take turmeric if it worsens symptoms of GERD.

Hormone-sensitive condition such as breast cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, endometriosis, or uterine fibroids: Turmeric contains a chemical called curcumin, which might act like the hormone estrogen. In theory, turmeric might make hormone-sensitive conditions worse. However, some research shows that turmeric reduces the effects of estrogen in some hormone-sensitive cancer cells. Therefore, turmeric might have beneficial effects on hormone-sensitive conditions. Until more is known, use cautiously if you have a condition that might be made worse by exposure to hormones.

Infertility: Turmeric might lower testosterone levels and decrease sperm movement when taken by mouth by men. This might reduce fertility. Turmeric should be used cautiously by people trying to have a baby.

Iron deficiency: Taking high amounts of turmeric might prevent the absorption of iron. Turmeric should be used with caution in people with iron deficiency.

Surgery: Turmeric might slow blood clotting. It might cause extra bleeding during and after surgery. Stop using turmeric at least 2 weeks before a scheduled surgery.

Ginger potential side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-961-GINGER.aspx

Ginger is POSSIBLY SAFE when it is applied to the skin appropriately, short-term. It might cause irritation on the skin for some people.

Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy: Ginger is POSSIBLY SAFE when taken by mouth for medicinal uses during pregnancy. But using ginger during pregnancy is controversial. There is some concern that ginger might affect fetal sex hormones. There is also a report of miscarriage during week 12 of pregnancy in a woman who used ginger for morning sickness. However, studies in pregnant women suggest that ginger can be used safely for morning sickness without harm to the baby. The risk for major malformations in infants of women taking ginger does not appear to be higher than the usual rate of 1% to 3%. Also there doesn't appear to be an increased risk of early labor or low birth weight. There is some concern that ginger might increase the risk of bleeding, so some experts advise against using it close to your delivery date. As with any medication given during pregnancy, it's important to weigh the benefit against the risk. Before using ginger during pregnancy, talk it over with your healthcare provider.

Breast-feeding: There is not enough reliable information about the safety of taking ginger if you are breast feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Bleeding disorders: Taking ginger might increase your risk of bleeding.

Diabetes: Ginger might increase your insulin levels and/or lower your blood sugar. As a result, your diabetes medications might need to be adjusted by your healthcare provider.

Heart conditions: High doses of ginger might worsen some heart conditions.

Bromelain potential side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supp...gredientid=895&activeingredientname=bromelain

Bromelain is POSSIBLY SAFE for most people when taken in appropriate amounts. Bromelain may cause some side effects, such as diarrhea and stomach and intestinal discomfort. Bromelain may also cause allergic reactions, especially in people who have other allergies. If you have allergies, be sure to check with your healthcare provider before taking bromelain.

Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of bromelain during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Allergies: If you are allergic to pineapple, latex, wheat, celery, papain, carrot, fennel, cypress pollen, or grass pollen, you might have an allergic reaction to bromelain.

Surgery: Bromelain might increase the risk of bleeding during and after surgery. Stop using bromelain at least 2 weeks before a scheduled surgery.

Ceylon Cinnamon: https://www.webmd.com/diet/supplement-guide-cinnamon

Heavy use of cinnamon may irritate the mouth and lips, causing sores. In some people, it can cause an allergic reaction. Applied to the skin, it might cause redness and irritation.

Risks. Very high quantities of cassia cinnamon may be toxic, particularly in people with liver problems. Because cinnamon may lower blood sugar, people with diabetes may need to adjust their treatment if they use cinnamon supplements. An ingredient in some cinnamon products, coumarin, may cause liver problems; but the amount of this compound ingested is usually so small that this wouldn’t happen for most people. Given the lack of evidence about its safety, cinnamon -- as a treatment -- is not recommended for children or for women who are pregnant or breastfeeding.

Interactions. If you take any medication regularly, talk to your doctor before you start using cinnamon supplements. They could interact with antibiotics, diabetes drugs, blood thinners, heart medicines, and others.

 

[Zippyjuan]

The government protects them not us, or haven't you figure that out yet?

Then there is the problem with Reyes Syndrome in children who take aspirin during the flu or chickenpox. (4)

Reyes Syndrome is very rare- even according to your link. It effects about 0.15 people out of 100,000. As for aspirin, according to your own link:

The suggestion of a defined cause-effect relationship between aspirin intake and Reye syndrome in children is not supported by sufficient facts.

Mixing aspirin with acetaminophens can cause Kidney damage. (1)

From that link:

The majority of large epidemiologic studies have failed to substantiate an association between heavy non-steroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) use and CKD in healthy individuals. The prospective paper by Curhan et al.24) found no increased risk for renal impairment at 11 years follow-up despite regular NSAID use. Regular ibuprofen users in the NHANES had no change in renal function compared with controls.

The development of renal insufficiency as a consequence of chronic analgesic consumption remains unproven despite a large body of epidemiologic research.

In another study it pointed out that taking an aspirin every day can take a toll on your liver.

Link describes a single case- it is not a study. I did find one though: https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/104/23/1808/1044436

Conclusions

Aspirin use was associated with reduced risk of developing HCC and of death due to CLD whereas nonaspirin NSAID use was only associated with reduced risk of death due to CLD.

CLD being "Chronic Liver Disease" and HCC being "Hepatocellular carcinoma" or cancer of the liver. Aspirin use reduced the risks for both.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Did you also know that the aspirin ingredient can also be found in beans, peas, jasmine and clover? Maybe people should listen to Hippocrates more: “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

True that salicylic acid can be found naturally in some plants- but how much? Green beans and peas have "negligible" amounts according to this site: http://www.food-info.net/uk/qa/qa-fi27.htm

What is salicylic acid and in which foods does it occur?
Salicylic acid is a colorless, crystalline organic acid that melts at 159°C; it is soluble in alcohol but is only slightly soluble in water. Salicylic acid is an ingredient used in many over-the-counter acne medications.

Fruits and vegetables are natural sources of salicylic acid, with fruits having large amounts of salicylates, particularly berries. Some herbs and spices contain quite high amounts, and meat, poultry, fish, eggs and dairy products all have little to no salicylates. Of the legumes, seeds, nuts, and cereals, only almonds, water chestnuts and peanuts have significant amounts. The table below gives more examples of foods containing salicylates:

Mushrooms are in the "very high" category- how much is that? ">1 mg" per 100 grams. A low dose aspirin may contain 325 mg. At 1 mg/ 100 grams you would need to consume 350 x 100 or 35,000 grams of mushrooms - or 77 pounds of them. Go ahead- eat your aspirin.

 

[navy-vet]

Potential tumeric side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-662-turmeric.aspx?activeingredientid=662




Ginger potential side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-961-GINGER.aspx



Bromelain potential side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supp...gredientid=895&activeingredientname=bromelain



Ceylon Cinnamon: https://www.webmd.com/diet/supplement-guide-cinnamon

TOUCHE' that had to sting....

 

[Zippyjuan]

TOUCHE' that had to sting....

Everything has potential side effects. It depends on genetics, existing conditions, and dose.

 

[navy-vet]

The government should force the manufacturers to provide access to studies that you don't actually believe. Makes sense. All Libertarians are big on mandatory labeling.



Aspirin is a NSAID. These bastards are horrible, horrible people. This whole concept that people aren't capable of even taking a headache pill without the permission of an overlord is what the headline should be referring to in a Libertarian political forum.

But God forbid that liberty get in the way of the science-impaired homeopaths, who are no different than Dr Vogt - they fancy themselves as overlords.

Out of ammo here! Can someone give Angela some for me?

 

[donnay]

Potential tumeric side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-662-turmeric.aspx?activeingredientid=662

10,000 peer-reviewed articles

2560 Abstracts with Turmeric Research

Ginger potential side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-961-GINGER.aspx

The Amazing and Mighty Ginger

Anti-Oxidative and Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Ginger in Health and Physical Activity: Review of Current Evidence

Effects of a ginger extract on knee pain in patients with osteoarthritis.

Ginger

Ginger's Many Evidence-Based Health Benefits Revealed

Bromelain potential side effects: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supp...gredientid=895&activeingredientname=bromelain

Bromelain

A double blind, randomised, parallel group study on the efficacy and safety of treating acute lateral ankle sprain with oral hydrolytic enzymes.

Bromelain as a Treatment for Osteoarthritis: a Review of Clinical Studies

Bromelain as an adjunctive treatment for moderate-to-severe osteoarthritis of the knee: a randomized placebo-controlled pilot study.

Research: Pineapple Enzyme Kills Cancer Without Killing You

Ceylon Cinnamon: https://www.webmd.com/diet/supplement-guide-cinnamon

Influence of ginger and cinnamon intake on inflammation and muscle soreness endued by exercise in Iranian female athletes.

Anti-inflammatory activity of cinnamon (C. zeylanicum and C. cassia) extracts - identification of E-cinnamaldehyde and o-methoxy cinnamaldehyde as the most potent bioactive compounds.

Glycated haemoglobin and blood pressure-lowering effect of cinnamon in multi-ethnic Type 2 diabetic patients in the UK: a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trial.

The Cinnamon-derived Michael Acceptor Cinnamic Aldehyde Impairs Melanoma Cell Proliferation, Invasiveness, and Tumor Growth

Cinnamon and health

Trans-cinnamaldehyde from Cinnamomum zeylanicum bark essential oil reduces the clindamycin resistance of Clostridium difficile in vitro.

Two New Cinnamon Studies Show Surprising Health Benefits Not Previously Appreciated

 

[donnay]

True that salicylic acid can be found naturally in some plants- but how much? Green beans and peas have "negligible" amounts according to this site: http://www.food-info.net/uk/qa/qa-fi27.htm



Mushrooms are in the "very high" category- how much is that? ">1 mg" per 100 grams. A low dose aspirin may contain 325 mg. At 1 mg/ 100 grams you would need to consume 350 x 100 or 35,000 grams of mushrooms - or 77 pounds of them. Go ahead- eat your aspirin.

Nah I think I will stick to eating right, rather than using synthetic aspirin.

The point here (which I know escapes you) is eating the right foods (everyday) are going to knock out inflammation. Inflammation is the root to many chronic illnesses.

 

[Danke]

10,000 peer-reviewed articles

2560 Abstracts with Turmeric Research





The Amazing and Mighty Ginger

Anti-Oxidative and Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Ginger in Health and Physical Activity: Review of Current Evidence

Effects of a ginger extract on knee pain in patients with osteoarthritis.

Ginger

Ginger's Many Evidence-Based Health Benefits Revealed




Bromelain

A double blind, randomised, parallel group study on the efficacy and safety of treating acute lateral ankle sprain with oral hydrolytic enzymes.

Bromelain as a Treatment for Osteoarthritis: a Review of Clinical Studies

Bromelain as an adjunctive treatment for moderate-to-severe osteoarthritis of the knee: a randomized placebo-controlled pilot study.

Research: Pineapple Enzyme Kills Cancer Without Killing You



Influence of ginger and cinnamon intake on inflammation and muscle soreness endued by exercise in Iranian female athletes.

Anti-inflammatory activity of cinnamon (C. zeylanicum and C. cassia) extracts - identification of E-cinnamaldehyde and o-methoxy cinnamaldehyde as the most potent bioactive compounds.

Glycated haemoglobin and blood pressure-lowering effect of cinnamon in multi-ethnic Type 2 diabetic patients in the UK: a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trial.

The Cinnamon-derived Michael Acceptor Cinnamic Aldehyde Impairs Melanoma Cell Proliferation, Invasiveness, and Tumor Growth

Cinnamon and health

Trans-cinnamaldehyde from Cinnamomum zeylanicum bark essential oil reduces the clindamycin resistance of Clostridium difficile in vitro.

Two New Cinnamon Studies Show Surprising Health Benefits Not Previously Appreciated

TOUCHE' that had to sting....

...

 

[Zippyjuan]

Nah I think I will stick to eating right, rather than using synthetic aspirin.

The point here (which I know escapes you) is eating the right foods (everyday) are going to knock out inflammation. Inflammation is the root to many chronic illnesses.

Eating a balance diet including a variety of foods and getting plenty of exercise is definitely going to help your health. But the occasional aspirin or other medicine is also not likely going to kill you. As with most things, problems come when people overdo things. All foods have good things to offer you- as well as some potential negative side effects for at least some people.

 

[euphemia]

There are no none side-effects for--- Turmeric, Ginger, Bromelain (enzyme found in pineapple), Ceylon Cinnamon or Magnesium. All anti-inflammatory. Did you also know that the aspirin ingredient can also be found in beans, peas, jasmine and clover? Maybe people should listen to Hippocrates more: “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

Those might work for minor aches and pains, but for something like herniated discs or very advanced arthritis, they are not helpful. And according to my chiro, the active ingredient is in pineapple stems, not the fruit.

 

[donnay]

Those might work for minor aches and pains, but for something like herniated discs or very advanced arthritis, they are not helpful.

If you get down that inflammation (through diet, exercise and supplementation) you'd be surprised. I know a person with severe RA and how he eliminated the RA symptoms with a strict diet and exercise--basically a life-style change. This person drank nearly 2 gallons of sweet tea a day, and sweet tea is bad for the bones. (1), (2), (3)

And according to my chiro, the active ingredient is in pineapple stems, not the fruit.

That is correct, it is an anti-inflammatory.

Again the key here is "inflammation," and how to get it down and keep it down naturally.

 

[donnay]

Ceylon Cinnamon: https://www.webmd.com/diet/supplement-guide-cinnamon

Oh and I forgot to point out one important thing... The warning on liver damage is more with Cassia Cinnamon (Cinnamomum cassia) because it contains Coumarin.

Ceylon Cinnamon(Cinnamomum verum) which is referred to as the REAL cinnamon and better quality and less of the Coumarin compound. (1), (2), (3)

 

[opal]

wait.. the article, near the end says Tylenol is safer - the bullshit meter tilts.. hard

 

[donnay]

wait.. the article, near the end says Tylenol is safer - the bull$#@! meter tilts.. hard

Yeah neither are good for us. It's a main stream media article, I am willing to give them a little credit for shining a light on ibuprofen.

 

[angelatc]

Maybe people should listen to Hippocrates more: “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

Maybe people should acknowledge that science has advanced in the past 2500 years.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Ha ha ha, so funny ...... You Zippy and the rest of the trolls are what makes this forum unique.

1. Donnay posts an op-ed advocating banning over-the-counter sale of Ibuprofen.
2. Zippy takes the position that is consistent with this site's mission and disagrees with that op-ed.
3. Timo's man calls Zippy a troll.

 

[timosman]

Everything has potential side effects. It depends on genetics, existing conditions, and dose.

Except unlimited immigration. This can only be looked at in terms of potential benefits.

 

[angelatc]

wait.. the article, near the end says Tylenol is safer - the bullshit meter tilts.. hard

Tylenol also isn't an anti-inflammatory, so if you have arthritis it's pretty useless.

 

[euphemia]

If you get down that inflammation (through diet, exercise and supplementation) you'd be surprised. I know a person with severe RA and how he eliminated the RA symptoms with a strict diet and exercise--basically a life-style change. This person drank nearly 2 gallons of sweet tea a day, and sweet tea is bad for the bones.

I am under the care of a clinical nutritionist and I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do. At my age and stage of joint deterioriation, I will be faciing surgery on both knees and probably a thumb at some point.