Mandatory vaccinations

[shida]

Do what your intuition tells you. You must have reservations or you wouldn't have posted. I'd never have another one.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Being in a deomcratic republic also involves responcibilty. If you want to be irresponcible and flaky, fine, where public health is concerned, I do not want ot be affected by some plague carrier because they are so self-absorbed and selfish they don't care how many they infect so long as they do not lose some perceived freedom they erroneously believe they have.

You want to bury your head, live in a compund and let disease take you and your kids, fine, better for the gene pool. But do not pretend that you stand for some principle because you do not care to be responcible and vaccinate yourself from diseases like smallpox.

While YOu may have some paranoid belief about the RX and the Govt, it does not refute the facts that many childhood diseases have been stopped since the 50's. My wife remembers those times, and has no compunctions about vaccinations.

Not dramatic, just practical and responcible. If you wish to mix with a collegs and they have rules, you follow their rules or go to another which fills your high-ideals and irresponcible behavior.

That's straight out ignorant to call me selfish. Of course i'm selfish when it comes to this, it's my health and if you get the vaccine and it works, you wouldn't get the disease even if I had it and licked your face. They put a lot of nasty stuff in vaccines, your ignorant for not looking into what they put in you.

 

[derdy]

My work had free flu-shots last year and I haven't had one in about 15 years Still, I NEVER get sick and I had already read much about the ill-effects of vaccines.

My co-worker who sits right next to me, decided he wanted to get his. He ended up sick with the flu for 1.5 weeks.

Talk about reinforcing my desires never to get vaccinated.

 

[thehittgirl]

My work had free flu-shots last year and I haven't had one in about 15 years Still, I NEVER get sick and I had already read much about the ill-effects of vaccines.

My co-worker who sits right next to me, decided he wanted to get his. He ended up sick with the flu for 1.5 weeks.

Talk about reinforcing my desires never to get vaccinated.

Exactly. I am always asked if I've had or will be getting the flu shot. No way! We survived years without them, I don't need to start now. I've heard they can make one very ill. I saw someone had a horrible reaction after a pneumonia vaccine. No thanks!

I think it is all part of the fear mongering and making the corporations richer. Especially when they were threatening the horrid bird flu. I knew that was BS.

 

[hairball]

That's straight out ignorant to call me selfish. Of course i'm selfish when it comes to this, it's my health and if you get the vaccine and it works, you wouldn't get the disease even if I had it and licked your face. They put a lot of nasty stuff in vaccines, your ignorant for not looking into what they put in you.

Not ignorant, merely observant. You are going to a college. You choose to go to this college. They have rules. Are you saying that the school cannot have rules for exclusion, that they do not have the freedom to choose how they accept students?

I know exactly what they put in vaccines, and the danger from them is far less than the danger from the disease it cures. You are obviously too young to have lived during the times when you still had many of those nasty bugs running around, but I do, and my wife does, and they were no joke.

You have the delight of living in a time when your not likely to face those dangers, and hate to tell you this, because it is apparent that you refuse to learn, but the vaccines helped. A lot.

It is not ignorant to accurately observe that someone has no concern for the safety of their friends and family. Pity.

 

[Iowa4Paul]

Being in a deomcratic republic also involves responcibilty. If you want to be irresponcible and flaky, fine, where public health is concerned, I do not want ot be affected by some plague carrier because they are so self-absorbed and selfish they don't care how many they infect so long as they do not lose some perceived freedom they erroneously believe they have.

You want to bury your head, live in a compund and let disease take you and your kids, fine, better for the gene pool. But do not pretend that you stand for some principle because you do not care to be responcible and vaccinate yourself from diseases like smallpox.

While YOu may have some paranoid belief about the RX and the Govt, it does not refute the facts that many childhood diseases have been stopped since the 50's. My wife remembers those times, and has no compunctions about vaccinations.

Not dramatic, just practical and responcible. If you wish to mix with a collegs and they have rules, you follow their rules or go to another which fills your high-ideals and irresponcible behavior.

If your ass was any tighter you could turn coal into diamonds.

Seriously, think about this for a second. People are allowed to do what they want for their own health(at least in free societies). if they didn't then it would be facism. Sure a lot of poeple won't take the vaccine, but that's their damn choice.

I can't take it because I'm allergic to the shot, so fuck me apparently >_>
But I do know that if I was being forced to take it, I would fight to the death to make sure no vaccine was forcfully injected in me without my consent. I still hold true to that.

You act like you're some kind of self-rightious ass. Listen, no one tells me what to put in my fucking body unless I give an ok. Like if I had to get a certain kind of vaccine for a job, and I knew before hand, it would be ok. but if all of the sudden they told me to do it and it was no where in a contract, I would tell them to fuck off. It just pisses me off when someone else decides whats right and wrong for someone else like this.

If it makes me selfish to control my own body then so be it. Also, I don't "pretend" to stand for principles. I just do it.

Also, no disrespect. I just don't like people who think they can tell people what's right and wrong for them.

 

[hairball]

The problem is that people have forgotten there is a right and wrong.

I am not talking flu shots, either, I am talking serious stuff. I have never taken a fl shot, and done fine, but things for polio, smallpox, rubella and the killer stuff that is highly contagious, yes I would tie you rto the table and givbe you the shot if you are too blind and have the temerity to avoid your responciblity because of some deluded notion of ultimate selfishness.

If you had been around for whooping cough, or smallpox or when there would be students on crutches, crippled for life because of polio, you would not be so ambivilant about YOUR freedom to be a plague carrier.

Perhaps you would abide by avoiding vacciantion, but being quarrentined when you do catch something. One way or another, your right to aviod responcibility will run against someone else's right to not be assaulted by your infections.

As an individual, if you choose to live in the hills and eschew all society, that is your right. If you come down out of the mountains and endeavor to involve yourself with others, you have responciblities. Your responce of "If it makes me selfish to control my own body then so be it. Also, I don't "pretend" to stand for principles. I just do it." is the kind of stuff my kids said when they were five.

I would hope better for an adult.

 

[XNavyNuke]

I am not talking flu shots, either, I am talking serious stuff. I have never taken a fl shot, and done fine, but things for polio, smallpox, rubella and the killer stuff that is highly contagious, yes I would tie you rto the table and givbe you the shot if you are too blind and have the temerity to avoid your responciblity because of some deluded notion of ultimate selfishness.

WOW! I have never met a person that has been vaccinated for Anthrax, Japanese Encephalitis, Monkey Pox, Rabies, Tuberculosis, AND Yellow Fever. (You know, the really killer stuff with CDC approved vaccines.) I'm truely impressed at the level of your unselfishness. To risk all those possible side-effects without even being told by a petty bureaucrat that it was in the best interest of your fellow man. I am inspired!

XNN

 

[hairball]

You should be. I took a tour in South America back in the 80's when I was inspired to help out the po' folks. I got every shot concievable. The risks of side affects were nothing in my mind compared to the very REAL risks of what happens when you do NOT behave in a rational, thoughtful way.

Consequences. Awareness of which will make life better for you and your neighbors, because Lord help you if your selfishness gets your neighbors sick.

 

[bj72]

Wow, heated arguments here! I'm researching this right now. I'm fully vaccinated, my husband is as well (military), and as are our first 2 children. Our third we are taking a pause on the whole issue, despite the fact I was formerly very pro-vaccination.

Why? Because after my second child (now 4) had his last round of shots at age 3, and a flu shot around the same time, he developed a HUGE lymph node off the side of his neck...no Dr has been able to tell us why. He also started to get a lot of ear aches...I mean a lot. Totally out of the blue. We've been to a Pediatric ENT, several Drs...no answers. The ear aches went away, but the huge knot on his neck remains. However, it all started after his damn shots. UMMMM, wonder if there might be a connection. He also started with a tiny bit of bloody stool after his 3 month shots. It lasted a while, then disappeared. They couldn't figure out why either. I breastfed exclusively at that time, and my diet wasn't a factor (we ruled it out slowly), go figure. Now fast forward to child #3. I was in stellar health this 3rd pregnancy. Delivered naturally. Right away they insisted on a Hep B shot...I hadn't really realized they would (we had just transferred to CA), so didn't have research to dispute. Then we went home. He nursed fine for 2 months, diapers all fine. Then he had his 2 month shots. A week or so later I noticed a little blood in his diaper (just like my 2nd child). Not a lot, but occasional bit here and there. The Dr said it might be an allergy (not likely, as what he suggested, I have little of in my diet). I have read that some vaccinations can cause digestive track issues though.

After reading up extensively we've decided to take a pause from vaccinations and may delay vac till age 2 with only one vaccine at time every 6 months. What I found from the CDC's own website was a bit disturbing. Besides the ingredients already mentioned in other posts (thimerosal/mercury, formaldehyde, etc) , human diploid tissue is used (originating from aborted fetal tissue)...my Dr confirmed the human diploid tissue link to aborted fetal tissue, but he believes the good outweighs the bad (really...I think it may just help sustain an industry I'm morally against...and think we deserve to know in brochures it's there to make an informed choice). Other ingredients are animal remnants. If that wasn't enough to make us take pause, then the fact that California has one of the highest autism rates, and is one of the most heavily vaccinated states does. When my daughter was born here in 2001 they didn't do nearly as many as they do now. In fact, with each child the amount they inject at a time has increased. It is way different then when I was a child (I was born in 1972....old, but not that old).

The CDC website says if you (or your child) has a reaction to a vaccination, not to take that vaccination again. Now, I ask you how you could tell which vaccine it was when they inject so many at one visit now. Seems to me the CDC (and drug companies) could cover their tracks well by doing this....can't prove any one vaccine is harmful if they inject 8 at once. I asked my Dr how we would know if my son had a reaction which one it was...he said we wouldn't. I then asked him if the CDC says we should avoid it, how we would...he shrugged his shoulders....great...

My son was supposed to get the following at his 4 month check (it would be his second round as he had a round at 2 months...and was supposed to get a 3rd round at 6 months): DTAP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, aka whooping cough), IPV (Polio), Hep B, HIB, Prev, Rota (oral dose).....8 at once! How is a little immune system supposed to deal with that? Especially after just having had it 2 months ago. They say not to give it to them either if the child has a cold (sometimes you don't know they are fighting one right away...). I asked why we couldn't give him one at a time, the Dr said it might be better to stick him with multiples for less sticks. I'm less worried about the stick, and more worried about the stuff they are sticking him with I pointed out. Then I asked why an infant needs Hep B (primarily sexually or blood transmitted disease)....he said because he didn't know if I, the mother, have it (I don't...tested in the military....and wouldn't...low, low risk group). Then said because infants are a captive audience...they don't know if later he'd get it when he might become sexually active (wouldn't that be his choice as an adult?).

Also, having formally been in advertising/marketing, I noticed the CDC gives statistics regarding if you have the disease vs not (assuming the vaccines protect you)...chance of injury, death, etc. What they left out, is the statistic regarding the odds of actually getting the disease. That 3rd component needs to be on there to show what the odds are of getting the disease vs. risks of vaccinations.

The assumptions vaccines will protect you are not a 100% either. Take the chickenpox vaccine. I've heard from some mothers now that they've had children vaccinated who got it anyway. Presumably it'd be less of an outbreak. But one homeschooling mom of 3 said her oldest (vaccinated), middle child (partially vaccinated) and youngest (not vaccinated) all got the chickenpox. The oldest had it the worst and longest. The youngest....had the shortest case....go figure.

Any adult that has not had their child vaccinated recently, really should look at the growing schedule new parents are given, then take pause at it, and look at it in common sense terms...then do some research and decide for yourself.

We are still researching it. I can see both sides now. I think the drug companies make way too much money off of these, with little oversight or challenges on the issues. If they were truly worried about vaccinating, they'd be able to tell people that are hesitant, which ones they'd stress and easily start a more child-friendly approach. However, when I asked my Dr to pick just 1 if I decided to do another in the next 2 years, he couldn't. Then he hedged and said chickenpox or Hep B. Really? Chickenpox? Hep B? Those are the 2 I'd cut immediately as "needed" vaccines. I could see polio maybe, or pertussis (whooping cough) as those seem scarier to me, but chickenpox? Come on. Not saying I won't be hating life for a couple of weeks with 1-3 kids with chickenpox if they ever descend on our household, but I, all 3 of my siblings, and everyone I know had them...we all survived, some with a scar or two, but otherwise okay.

I do take notice now of how they like to force via laws, and peer pressure, people into vaccinations. They are forcing ingredients that are definitely not kosher. I think if more Christian or Jewish Bible believing people knew what were in them, they'd think twice at least before taking them. The ingredients aren't on the brochures though...you have to do some digging on the CDC or drug companies website to find them (and most people don't have the time, or just don't make the effort). Those who do not believe in the Bible, still might take pause...even if they don't have a problem with aborted fetuses, or animal remnants, they might with some of the other chemicals in them.

It does remind me of the RFID issue (implantable and tattoo). The fact that Verichip was lobbying the Pentagon in 2006 to "chip" military members reminds me of the whole "captive" audience strategy. First you push things like this on the military, elderly, and infants, then the rest of society.

I'm not saying all vaccinations are bad. To be honest, I do not know enough to say whether they are or not. I'm just saying the herd approach is wrong (forcing on everyone so the few that would be affected by the disease are protected...regardless of how many more are injured in the process), and the current way they inoculate children seems to be too much at once. I'm still researching, but told my Dr. that I wouldn't allow my children to take candy from a stranger. And, I'm not about to allow any more of my family be injected with things that "are good for us" without really doing some research. I'm not saying the government is all bad. I'm not saying all drug companies are bad. But, I'm not gonna trust them blindly because they tell me to either.

 

[juice797]

Liberty means health freedom

When I was an infant I got the MMR vaccine and that night had repeated seizures over the course of many hours. My parents said I passed out and screamed and passed out between seizures and thought I was going to die. Never had seizures before or since. Now I am an adult. I have an ASD AND damaged corpus callosum. I am of course high functioning or you wouldn't be reading this right now. I am very blessed. I have had natural treatment growing up. But vaccines must not be mandatory. There is a massive amount of evidence about the side effects. People only talk about the benefits. Then the epidemiologists tell the doctors to promote it. They really want to help and are mostly honest people who are tricked by bad research. But they are making things worse. Where are the neurotoxicologists? Vaccine manufacturers deny it is even possible. And people say well it is a risk analysis and it's worth it overall. And people understand what that means so they think it is true. BUT IT'S NOT TRUE. It's the war on terror war on disease war on drugs lie lie lie. They make money. So polio is cured. That doesn't make me normal in public and can see things like other people see them. Even if they were actually really much safer, they should still be a CHOICE. You know vaccines against drug addiction are currently being propagandized? Next it's vaccines against deviant thought... that is if the current vaccines which cause brain damage don't already qualify.

People get confused and think laws should be made to force things which are good and make illegal things which are bad. This is not what freedom is. Ron Paul is for freedom, I love freedom and Ron Paul.

 

[youngbuck]

Public Health should have been in the original Constitution, IMHO, but it did not exist as a formal science at the time of the drafting. My own studies are in PubH and Substance abuse… I can testify that vaccinations are a key component to public health. Vaccinations should be mandatory, because failure to have them endangers the entire community; the unvaccinated are basically mini biological weapons wandering our streets. There are many great articles you can google on this subject, basically the general public has some really warped ideas about the benefits to cost ratio of vaccinations.

The biggest myth: Vaccines cause more damage than good. BUSTED! Take any epidemiology class; vaccine benefits vastly outweigh any dangers. This is an example of “sheeple” thinking.

I would be interested to hear Ron Pauls opinion on this subject, as an M.D. he would know the extreme importance of vaccines to comunity health. Interesting subject, since Medicine and Public Health has a history of Indivitutal care vs. Community Care... (and like most arguments the truth seems to lie inbetween.) Does a person have a right to drive drunk? Go unvaccinated? Shout fire in a crowded theater?

Sorry that is wrong. That's just what they taught you in school, so you've come to accept it as truth. You need to do more research of your own instead of seeing only what you want to see. Vaccines are known to be a large factor in the autism epidemic. Vaccines are also known to contain MANY harmful components, not the least of which is Thimerosal, which contains a lot of mercury (50% elemental mercury last I heard.)

 

[shida]

The Film About Vaccines You Simply Must see.

This censored interview was cut from the TV programme The Health Century due to its huge liability - the admission that the MERCK drug company has been injecting cancer viruses into people worldwide.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a.../19/the-film-about-vaccines-you-must-see.aspx

 

[RJB]

I know exactly what they put in vaccines.

Ah... An employee for the drug company...

 

[evsride]

drug companies

P/P factor
Profits over People.....

I dont deny some of the merits of early vaccine programs, however, the agenda of the elite has clearly proven to be one that advocates population control through compromising the masse's immune functions, poisoning our environment, and various other social engineering schemes.

Vaccinations, and probably around the corner forced vaccinations are simply another front in their war on you. What a joke to say that you know whats in the vaccines....

I guess Im a walking bioweapon, thanks mom and dad.

By the way, to the original person who was going to college, I lived in the dorms and despite their fear mongering about meningitis I never was forced to submit to any vaccinations. At the beginning they do ask for proof that you are up to date, but you simply abstain and if they ask for a reason, you ask them for their religious exemption form. We did that throughout my public school experience.

 

[Loke]

My work had free flu-shots last year and I haven't had one in about 15 years Still, I NEVER get sick and I had already read much about the ill-effects of vaccines.

My co-worker who sits right next to me, decided he wanted to get his. He ended up sick with the flu for 1.5 weeks.

Talk about reinforcing my desires never to get vaccinated.

That is exactly what happened with me and my wife. She works as an RN and there was a health fair giving free flu vaccinations. We both got them- we both got sick for over 2 solid weeks. We were not alone. There was 4 other girls out of 30 who got sick after their shots. Same pattern, same time after shots!

You'll not hear it was the shot , only that you must've been already getting sick. I haven't had the flu in 10 years till that shot.

I still think some vaccinations are a good idea. But I don't like all these mandatory vaccines for my infant child being dictated by the gubment.

 

[CowCat33]

Jail or death before more vaccines

First off, Ron Paul is not for forced vaccines, so if he is elected, it isn't going to happen.

Second, if forced vaccines ever happen they'll have to throw me in jail or kill me first! I was always a sickly child w/allergies, ear infections, etc, then at age 18, I was told I had to get an MMR vaccine for college. 2 days later I got mononucleosis and I hadn't even stepped foot in school yet. IMO, the vaccine greatly weakened my immune system. I have never been the same since...after that I got asthma (has since gone away), but I was NEVER the same after that G'D shot! I have CFS/Fibromyalgia/Adrenal Fatigue. I am only 33 and I feel like I'm 70!!! My life is sh*t! Thank god I have health insurance, but do you have any idea how much of a drain people like me with chronic illness are on the health insurance system??? So, was my quality of life and the economic ramifications worth a stupid shot so I wouldn't get measles, mumps, or rubella!?!?!?

So, to all the die-hard pro-vaccine people, screw you!!!! I'll be as G'D selfish as I want to be, you can get all the vaccines under the sun, I don't care, but I will never get another one as long as I live. Don't worry, I've already had my mandatory shots as a child, so you're "safe". Need I remind you that vaccines are NOT mandatory, there are exemptions, and you're not dropping dead of measles, polio, whatever, and even if everyone stopped getting vaccines I HIGHLY doubt people would start dropping like flies. Get a grip and quit worrying about your impending doom. Guess what, you're going to die one day, get over it!

If any open-minded people would like more information on vaccine injury, here you go:

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
http://www.909shot.com/
http://www.vaccines.net/newpage114.htm

One more thing, it is my personal theory that vaccines are the government's way to keep people sickly with chronic illness - a way to keep us from actually having the energy or fight to stand up to them. They are also in collusion and probably taking kickbacks from the corrupt pharmaceutical companies who make enormous profits off these vaccines. WAKE UP. The government, the FDA, and the vaccine-makers DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

If I had a child, which I do not and never will because I am too sick to care for one, I would NEVER allow them to be vaccinated!!! God made our immune systems to work properly on their own without interference!

 

[ItsTime]

My brothers gf works at a hospital, not with those being cared for but in administrative roll, she was the only one to refuse the flu shot, and was the only one in her department not to get sick.

I know this means little because "there is no proof" besides all the sick days on record. But it happened here, and I am hearing same things like you have just stated.

I will repeat something I said earlier, 1:165 chance of getting autism, what are the chances of getting polo in the USA again?

That is exactly what happened with me and my wife. She works as an RN and there was a health fair giving free flu vaccinations. We both got them- we both got sick for over 2 solid weeks. We were not alone. There was 4 other girls out of 30 who got sick after their shots. Same pattern, same time after shots!

You'll not hear it was the shot , only that you must've been already getting sick. I haven't had the flu in 10 years till that shot.

I still think some vaccinations are a good idea. But I don't like all these mandatory vaccines for my infant child being dictated by the gubment.

 

[Cyclone177]

We decided not to vax my 18 mo old son, and he is the healthiest little guy I have ever seen. He has been sick maybe 3 times his whole life. People think he is a 3 year old he is so robust. We also feed him Raw Milk from the farm and organic fruit,eggs, and veggies. Sadly, my sister in law just had a baby yesterday. They are not into the same things my wife and I are, so they went right along with the nurses advice to get the shots in first thing. So, this poor helpless little baby got shots for Hepatitis and who knows what else not even 8 hours after being born. Talk about a genocide! I freaking hate the Medical Industrial Complex so much.

I know Dr. Paul is against Vaxing, that is one of the things I liked about him right away.

 

[CowCat33]

We decided not to vax my 18 mo old son, and he is the healthiest little guy I have ever seen. He has been sick maybe 3 times his whole life. People think he is a 3 year old he is so robust. We also feed him Raw Milk from the farm and organic fruit,eggs, and veggies. Sadly, my sister in law just had a baby yesterday. They are not into the same things my wife and I are, so they went right along with the nurses advice to get the shots in first thing. So, this poor helpless little baby got shots for Hepatitis and who knows what else not even 8 hours after being born. Talk about a genocide! I freaking hate the Medical Industrial Complex so much.

I know Dr. Paul is against Vaxing, that is one of the things I liked about him right away.

I applaud your decision to raise a healthy non-vaccinated child. Hepatitis vaccine 8 hrs after birth??? That is INSANITY.