Mandatory vaccinations

[tamor]

You did not get polio because of the vaccine against it -- this terrible disease left many not able to walk.. be thankful there is this vaccine

 

[ConstitutionGal]

You did not get polio because of the vaccine against it -- this terrible disease left many not able to walk.. be thankful there is this vaccine

I know many people who never contracted polio even though they were never vaccinated. Case in point, one of my uncles had polio (no lasting effects) but none of his 5 siblings or parents caught it from him. I'm not saying that NO vaccines so any good, I'm saying that the government has no right to force those to get them that don't wish to do so.

 

[hairball]

Pretty easy, and it isn't a Constitutional issue, it is a responciblity issue.

If you do not want vaccinations, fine, you can watch your kids die, or perhaps die yourself. I love that kind of Social Darwinism. If you ELECT to attend a college or school where you will be a dandy vector for all the things you are NOT vaccinated for, then yes, if you ELECT to join this group, t is right and just for them to have certain rules in place for letting commune with your fellow students.

I still remember the tailend of vaccinations, and my mother grew up during the times when many of those childhood diseases were ravaging schools.

Let fools be fools, just don't wan them spreading their diseases to me. Noone has the right to be a plague carrier.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Let fools be fools, just don't wan them spreading their diseases to me. Noone has the right to be a plague carrier.

But if YOU'RE vaccinated, you should be immune....RIGHT? This issue is, do you or the state have a right to force your beliefs or preferences on someone else against their will? The answer, in a Republic is NO. The answer in a Democracy is yes. Thankfully, we live in Republic where our government was set up to protect the rights of the Individual instead of the wishes of the majority.

 

[ItsTime]

1:165 chances of getting autism. What are the odds of getting polio in the USA again?

 

[ConstitutionGal]

1:165 chances of getting autism. What are the odds of getting polio in the USA again?

Ask the parents of a child who developed autism after getting vaccines if it was worth it. I've talked to several and they all say no. Something else that no one likes to talk about is, given modern medicine, whether some of these diseases that used to kill people would actually be quite so bad now. Also, a great many of us actually had ALL those childhood diseases and suffer no ill effects from them at all. Granted, we missed a few days of school and spent a few uncomfortable days but now we're protected from those diseases for life and never had to put any toxins in our bodies to acheive it. Another thing is that today's knowledge of personal hygeine and cleanliness is much improved over the periods when many diseases caused widespread epidemics, thus, also cutting down on the risk of contracting certain diseases. Last point is that were the government REALLY concerned more with the diseases than with control, they would have control of our borders to prevent the infectious diseases like TB and the PLAGUE from walking across our borders with illegal aliens and they wouldn't allow illegal alien minors to even begin school without the 'required' vaccines (currently in many states they give them 'grace periods' to get the vaccinations and let them go ahead and start school).

 

[fmontez]

I know many people who never contracted polio even though they were never vaccinated. Case in point, one of my uncles had polio (no lasting effects) but none of his 5 siblings or parents caught it from him. I'm not saying that NO vaccines so any good, I'm saying that the government has no right to force those to get them that don't wish to do so.

It is good that you are not calling the shots (no pun) on vaccines! Public Health does pose a lot of interesting questions, and it is a leading force of Socialism. At the same time Public Health has improved the quality of life in the USA.

Public Sanitation of trash/waste, Water Treatment, Vaccines, Smoking Bans, Preventive Medicine (PubH is a major factor in the decrease of infant and female mortality rates) and much more. <--- Hard to argue against something that has had such a strong positive effect on our Nation.

It raises some questoins about Dr. Pauls social platform... how does he stand on programs like Public Health.

 

[fmontez]

Ask the parents of a child who developed autism after getting vaccines if it was worth it. I've talked to several and they all say no. Something else that no one likes to talk about is, given modern medicine, whether some of these diseases that used to kill people would actually be quite so bad now. Also, a great many of us actually had ALL those childhood diseases and suffer no ill effects from them at all. Granted, we missed a few days of school and spent a few uncomfortable days but now we're protected from those diseases for life and never had to put any toxins in our bodies to acheive it. Another thing is that today's knowledge of personal hygeine and cleanliness is much improved over the periods when many diseases caused widespread epidemics, thus, also cutting down on the risk of contracting certain diseases. Last point is that were the government REALLY concerned more with the diseases than with control, they would have control of our borders to prevent the infectious diseases like TB and the PLAGUE from walking across our borders with illegal aliens and they wouldn't allow illegal alien minors to even begin school without the 'required' vaccines (currently in many states they give them 'grace periods' to get the vaccinations and let them go ahead and start school).

That is a myth that was discredited a long time ago. Vaccines do not cause Austim.

 

[Dr.3D]

So what is the problem if a few children are not immunized? Seems like all of the others who are wouldn't be at risk anyway.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

This is another major MYTH, that I don't have to take it because everyone else is... the number of vaccines are dropping every year, and some diseases are starting to reappear. You are also failing to take into consideration the risk of you acquiring a disease and then having it mutate...

I don't care if someone gets a flu shot (you really should, every single year) but that is your health... just like if you want to weigh 300 lbs, do drugs, or jump out of an airplane... Freedom ends when it infringes (signifcantly) on the Freedom of others.

The risk of you contracting the disease then having it mutate? Like the risk the government takes when it comes to aids mutating and spreading airborn? The government could get rid of aids really fast if they had wanted to.

 

[RJB]

You are also failing to take into consideration the risk of you acquiring a disease and then having it mutate...

A lot of these diseases never came close to disappearing. They've resided in poor countries where sanitation is non-existant. If a pathogen was to mutate there, the vaccine would be useless anyway.

You need to quit getting your info from the drug companies.

 

[RJB]

Pretty easy, and it isn't a Constitutional issue, it is a responciblity issue.

If you do not want vaccinations, fine, you can watch your kids die, or perhaps die yourself. I love that kind of Social Darwinism. If you ELECT to attend a college or school where you will be a dandy vector for all the things you are NOT vaccinated for, then yes, if you ELECT to join this group, t is right and just for them to have certain rules in place for letting commune with your fellow students.

I still remember the tailend of vaccinations, and my mother grew up during the times when many of those childhood diseases were ravaging schools.

Let fools be fools, just don't wan them spreading their diseases to me. Noone has the right to be a plague carrier.

Wow, drama at its best.

 

[RJB]

That is a myth that was discredited a long time ago. Vaccines do not cause Austim.

Yeah, it was discreditted by drug companies avoiding lawsuits! Fox guarding the chickens...

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Yeah, it was discreditted by drug companies avoiding lawsuits! Fox guarding the chickens...

They cause Autism, but not Austim

 

[ItsTime]

then what does? You can not prove a negative. Go back to your bridge troll

That is a myth that was discredited a long time ago. Vaccines do not cause Austim.

 

[RJB]

They cause Autism, but not Austim

Ahhh, that's it

 

[fmontez]

Ok, is there any conspiracy that you guys will not support? Dang! There is no relationship between vaccinations... hmmmm.

LMAO. You guys make me smile.. if nothing else you are dependable.

 

[ItsTime]

it is simple... If you can not answer this question you should not talk. What causes autism? You dont know? Ok then... either do we.. Some are smart enough not to take the odds. Others will just keep poking their children anything the drug companies see fit to lobby congress for.

oh ya and its about mandates... which sheep GOP have fallen in love with... So much Mitt can SCREAM "I love mandates" at a debate and nothing happens in the polls.

Wait I thought only dems like mandates...

Ok, is there any conspiracy that you guys will not support? Dang! There is no relationship between vaccinations... hmmmm.

LMAO. You guys make me smile.. if nothing else you are dependable.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Ok, is there any conspiracy that you guys will not support? Dang! There is no relationship between vaccinations... hmmmm.

LMAO. You guys make me smile.. if nothing else you are dependable.

Seriously, you can believe what you want, just like everyone else. But look at it from a neutral stance, what reason have the big drug corporations and the government given us to trust them?

 

[hairball]

Being in a deomcratic republic also involves responcibilty. If you want to be irresponcible and flaky, fine, where public health is concerned, I do not want ot be affected by some plague carrier because they are so self-absorbed and selfish they don't care how many they infect so long as they do not lose some perceived freedom they erroneously believe they have.

You want to bury your head, live in a compund and let disease take you and your kids, fine, better for the gene pool. But do not pretend that you stand for some principle because you do not care to be responcible and vaccinate yourself from diseases like smallpox.

While YOu may have some paranoid belief about the RX and the Govt, it does not refute the facts that many childhood diseases have been stopped since the 50's. My wife remembers those times, and has no compunctions about vaccinations.

Not dramatic, just practical and responcible. If you wish to mix with a collegs and they have rules, you follow their rules or go to another which fills your high-ideals and irresponcible behavior.