Mandatory vaccinations

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I know we all get them at birth, but my college just sent me this - I think I got all of them when I was a child anyway, but I have a big problem with the government telling me I must get a vaccination shot to go to college.

"The State of New Jersey requires all students attending college in New Jersey prove that:
1. They have been vaccinated against measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR).
2. They have received a second inoculation againsts measles (booster).
3. They have received at least the first dose of Hepatitis B."

What do you guys think? Isn't it my human right to refuse to be vaccinated and still attend college? Unless there is an epidemic going around I don't see the need for all these shots.

 

[Agent CSL]

Something like this just screams "PLEASE INVESTIGATE ME JEFF RENSE."

I think it's a human rights violation to force vaccination. How is this different than having an RFID?
"Oh, you don't have your RFID license... You can't go there."
"Oh, you haven't gotten your vaccines... You can't go here."

 

[LivingFree]

After learning that vaccines cause more harm than good I'll never get another vaccine. I'll just say it's for "religious" reasons.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

After learning that vaccines cause more harm than good I'll never get another vaccine. I'll just say it's for "religious" reasons.

so all I have to do is be a Huckabee supporter to get out of it?

 

[BreakYourChains]

I know we all get them at birth, but my college just sent me this - I think I got all of them when I was a child anyway, but I have a big problem with the government telling me I must get a vaccination shot to go to college.

"The State of New Jersey requires all students attending college in New Jersey prove that:
1. They have been vaccinated against measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR).
2. They have received a second inoculation againsts measles (booster).
3. They have received at least the first dose of Hepatitis B."

What do you guys think? Isn't it my human right to refuse to be vaccinated and still attend college? Unless there is an epidemic going around I don't see the need for all these shots.

Do not take any more vaccinations! Do your research, and do not allow them to dictate what goes into your body. There is a way to refuse these shots, but you might have to dig a bit to find the legal way to do it. Do not take any more, and do not take the flu shots. Once one starts to see the ingredients of these shots, one wonders the real purpose of the shots?
http://www.vaclib.org/
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness.html
http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm
Go watch this video - http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...l=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

:O I got vaccinations as a young child, am I doomed?

 

[lucius]

"When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies." ~U.S. Representative Ron Paul

 

[LivingFree]

:O I got vaccinations as a young child, am I doomed?

Find out exactly what vaccines you've got and when.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Find out exactly what vaccines you've got and when.

The last ones were probably like 9 years ago, hepatitis somethin and somethin.

 

[fmontez]

Public Health should have been in the original Constitution, IMHO, but it did not exist as a formal science at the time of the drafting. My own studies are in PubH and Substance abuse… I can testify that vaccinations are a key component to public health. Vaccinations should be mandatory, because failure to have them endangers the entire community; the unvaccinated are basically mini biological weapons wandering our streets. There are many great articles you can google on this subject, basically the general public has some really warped ideas about the benefits to cost ratio of vaccinations.

The biggest myth: Vaccines cause more damage than good. BUSTED! Take any epidemiology class; vaccine benefits vastly outweigh any dangers. This is an example of “sheeple” thinking.

I would be interested to hear Ron Pauls opinion on this subject, as an M.D. he would know the extreme importance of vaccines to comunity health. Interesting subject, since Medicine and Public Health has a history of Indivitutal care vs. Community Care... (and like most arguments the truth seems to lie inbetween.) Does a person have a right to drive drunk? Go unvaccinated? Shout fire in a crowded theater?

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Public Health should have been in the original Constitution, IMHO, but it did not exist as a formal science at the time of the drafting. My own studies are in PubH and Substance abuse… I can testify that vaccinations are a key component to public health. Vaccinations should be mandatory, because failure to have them endangers the entire community; the unvaccinated are basically mini biological weapons wandering our streets. There are many great articles you can google on this subject, basically the general public has some really warped ideas about the benefits to cost ratio of vaccinations.

The biggest myth: Vaccines cause more damage than good. BUSTED! Take any epidemiology class; vaccine benefits vastly outweigh any dangers. This is an example of “sheeple” thinking.

I would be interested to hear Ron Pauls opinion on this subject, as an M.D. he would know the extreme importance of vaccines to comunity health. Interesting subject, since Medicine and Public Health has a history of Indivitutal care vs. Community Care... (and like most arguments the truth seems to lie inbetween.) Does a person have a right to drive drunk? Go unvaccinated? Shout fire in a crowded theater?

I haven't been ill for the past 6 years. I wash my hands, I don't touch my face with dirty hands. I take out a issue to cough/sneeze into when in public and promptly wash my hands after. I believe a good immune system could fight against anything, and it's worked for me so far.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Public Health should have been in the original Constitution, IMHO, but it did not exist as a formal science at the time of the drafting. My own studies are in PubH and Substance abuse… I can testify that vaccinations are a key component to public health. Vaccinations should be mandatory, because failure to have them endangers the entire community; the unvaccinated are basically mini biological weapons wandering our streets. There are many great articles you can google on this subject, basically the general public has some really warped ideas about the benefits to cost ratio of vaccinations.

The biggest myth: Vaccines cause more damage than good. BUSTED! Take any epidemiology class; vaccine benefits vastly outweigh any dangers. This is an example of “sheeple” thinking.

I would be interested to hear Ron Pauls opinion on this subject, as an M.D. he would know the extreme importance of vaccines to comunity health. Interesting subject, since Medicine and Public Health has a history of Indivitutal care vs. Community Care... (and like most arguments the truth seems to lie inbetween.) Does a person have a right to drive drunk? Go unvaccinated? Shout fire in a crowded theater?

Well, to follow your reasoning if YOU take the vaccinations then you should be protected from ME even if I choose NOT to take them - or doesn't your faith in science go that far?

It is NOT the government's business if I choose to have a certain disease rather than fill my body with everything from mercury to thimerisol to formaldehyde (all of which are in our vaccines). Those of us over 40 only had to get a polio vaccination and most all of us survived the measels, the mumps, the chicken pox and rubella just fine and now have NATURUAL anitbodies agasint catching them again while those who were forced to be innoculated are now having to take 'boosters' because they're figuring out that the vaccines sometimes wear off! Let's face the facts here, most of these childhood diseases are not dangerous to the VAST majority of the population and a lot more children have been harmed from the vaccinations by suddendly developing everything from ADHD to DEATH!

 

[asgardshill]

Let's see - childhood diseases check ...

Mumps - check.

Chicken pox - check.

Measles - check.

Rubella - check.

Pinkeye - check.

Polio - nope, never had that. But my aunt did and she's a spry 78 walking 2 miles a day.

Been there done that got that T-shirt. Still here too, without being a walking pincushion for every vaccination known to mankind.

 

[fmontez]

Well, to follow your reasoning if YOU take the vaccinations then you should be protected from ME even if I choose NOT to take them - or doesn't your faith in science go that far?

This is another major MYTH, that I don't have to take it because everyone else is... the number of vaccines are dropping every year, and some diseases are starting to reappear. You are also failing to take into consideration the risk of you acquiring a disease and then having it mutate...

I don't care if someone gets a flu shot (you really should, every single year) but that is your health... just like if you want to weigh 300 lbs, do drugs, or jump out of an airplane... Freedom ends when it infringes (signifcantly) on the Freedom of others.

 

[fmontez]

OP, just get your shots or provide proof. Don't get your undies in bunch about it.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

This is another major MYTH, that I don't have to take it because everyone else is... the number of vaccines are dropping every year, and some diseases are starting to reappear. You are also failing to take into consideration the risk of you acquiring a disease and then having it mutate...

I don't care if someone gets a flu shot (you really should, every single year) but that is your health... just like if you want to weigh 300 lbs, do drugs, or jump out of an airplane... Freedom ends when it infringes (signifcantly) on the Freedom of others.

I really don't see why you need all these vaccinations for school, do I need them for going to public places too?

 

[ConstitutionGal]

This is another major MYTH, that I don't have to take it because everyone else is... the number of vaccines are dropping every year, and some diseases are starting to reappear. You are also failing to take into consideration the risk of you acquiring a disease and then having it mutate...

I don't care if someone gets a flu shot (you really should, every single year) but that is your health... just like if you want to weigh 300 lbs, do drugs, or jump out of an airplane... Freedom ends when it infringes (signifcantly) on the Freedom of others.

One of us is confused and I'm not sure whether it's you or me. I'm saying that if YOU want to put your faith in the vaccinations then it shouldn't matter to you whether I get vaccinated or not because you're 'protected'. My refusing to get the shots infringes in no way on your freedom to get them.

Another way to look at this is that the government only has the powers that we the people give to it AND we can't give the government a power that we don't possess to begin as concerns others ,THEREFORE, you can't grant the government the power to FORCE me to get vaccinated against my will. This is why there's that troublesome little exemption for religious beliefs in all the vaccination requirements. If getting vaccinated makes you feel safer, that's fine but neither you nor the state can force me into doing it or to giving it to my children.

 

[Agent CSL]

This is another major MYTH, that I don't have to take it because everyone else is... the number of vaccines are dropping every year, and some diseases are starting to reappear. You are also failing to take into consideration the risk of you acquiring a disease and then having it mutate...

I don't care if someone gets a flu shot (you really should, every single year) but that is your health... just like if you want to weigh 300 lbs, do drugs, or jump out of an airplane... Freedom ends when it infringes (signifcantly) on the Freedom of others.

That irresponsible thinking is very dangerous. It unleashes the "give an inch, take a mile" mentality. If they can mandate vaccines, they can do the same to RFID. Are you trying to say that the feds can tell me to get a vaccine because being sick infringes on other's freedom? What kind of mentality is that?

I've never had a flu vaccine and I will never get one. I haven't had the flu in years and when I did, it wasn't a big issue.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Wow I just had a conversation about it with a friend and she called me selfish and that when I have a child "Don't you dare ruin their life because you have a grudge against the world" I feel like i'm in the movie "Idiocracy."

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I really don't see why you need all these vaccinations for school, do I need them for going to public places too?

EXCELLENT point. Of course, most people that are really knowledgable about what's really going on with public 'education' in this country know that the schools are being used to teach children, and by extension their families, that we are all subserviant to the state. The schools are where the 2nd amendment battle is being waged to because they're teaching children that all guns in the hands of private citizens are dangerous and only the government has a legitimate use of force. Same thing with these vaccines - reasoning will shortly be that if the government can tell me what shots to take, then they can tell me what else I have to put in my body (all in the name of keeping me safe, you understand).

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny. "

~Thomas Jefferson