Mancow Muller, gets waterboarded and says "it is absolutely torture"

[paulitics]

Says it was " instantaneous and horrific" "No way in hell would I have done that if I known it was that bad".

Here is the video.
http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=1323491&spid=28931

I commend Mancow for having the balls to get tortured and admit he was wrong when he thought it would just be some water splashed in the face.

It's amazing that some people buy the irrational propaganda that waterboarding is no big deal, when we prosecuted the Japanese for war crimes for the exact same thing. Sometimes it takes a real life experience (a bad one) to humble yourself and say you were wrong.

 

[Kludge]

I have difficulty believing Mancow truly ever believed waterboarding was no big deal...

He's been calling himself a libertarian for years. He's had the time to plan something like this out.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Mancow gets "Waterboarded" - lasts 7 seconds by my count

And he knew what was going on and knew it could be stopped at any time.

No, it's not torture.

Guess Shamity wasn't man enough to step up.

YouTube - Mancow Waterboarded

 

[phill4paul]

Nice find thanks. God, this government shames me. Surely there are not a majority of people that could stoop so low as to call this "enhanced interrogation". Give me a f*cking break.
If a government ever did this to me, bet your dollar that if I were ever released I would give lessons in "blowback."

 

[phill4paul]

This gave me a great idea though.

What if you were to set up downtown. A table, towel and pitchers of water.

Signs saying "I dare you to prove this is not torture."

Consent forms. I'd have to talk to a lawyer friend about this one, but it seems to me if you have a video set up and asked for their consent and got it you should be o.k.

Hmmm...gonna have to talk with some subversive friends about this one.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

And he knew what was going on and knew it could be stopped at any time.

No, it's not torture.

Guess Shamity wasn't man enough to step up.

And thats the more mild form of waterboarding. The really especially harsh kind, they stick a hose into your mouth and partly down your throat. Thats where they can fuck up and drown you on 'accident'.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It looks like he had his mouth closed during the deal.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

This gave me a great idea though.

What if you were to set up downtown. A table, towel and pitchers of water.

Signs saying "I dare you to prove this is not torture."

Consent forms. I'd have to talk to a lawyer friend about this one, but it seems to me if you have a video set up and asked for their consent and got it you should be o.k.

Hmmm...gonna have to talk with some subversive friends about this one.

I think that's a fantastic idea!

 

[ClayTrainor]

This gave me a great idea though.

What if you were to set up downtown. A table, towel and pitchers of water.

Signs saying "I dare you to prove this is not torture."

Consent forms. I'd have to talk to a lawyer friend about this one, but it seems to me if you have a video set up and asked for their consent and got it you should be o.k.

Hmmm...gonna have to talk with some subversive friends about this one.

That's an amazing idea, i think!

 

[silverhawks]

I don't suppose anyone has cottoned on to the fact that acts of torture are now on Youtube?

 

[Danke]

Hitting someone in the shins who has the means of relief, escape or retaliations is not torture, conversely if I'm strapped down and it is over a long period of time and confinement, etc...

You hit me, I pull out gun and shoot you. Was that hit "torture"?

See what they did to this guy with your money:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2124690#post2124690

 

[silverhawks]

That's an amazing idea, i think!

So you, knowing its torture, are going to torture other people so you can prove its torture?

 

[silverhawks]

Hitting someone in the shins who has the means of relief, escape or retaliations is not torture, conversely if I'm strapped down and it is over a long period of time and confinement, etc...

You hit me, I pull out gun and shoot you. Was that hit "torture"?

See what they did to this guy with your money:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2124690#post2124690

The point I'm trying to make is this one.

Can you see some kids doing this to their buds for a joke, or a bet, or a dare?

All it takes is ONE copycat, and the government has justification for crack downs. It hasn't released video to the internet of waterboarding, after all.

 

[ClayTrainor]

So you, knowing its torture, are going to torture other people so you can prove its torture?

Only if they volunteer to try and prove it's not torture, by accepting the terms.

I would never force someone into that situation.

 

[silverhawks]

Only if they volunteer to try and prove it's not torture, by accepting the terms.

I would never force someone into that situation.

Dude. You're still TORTURING PEOPLE. To prove a point.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Dude. You're still TORTURING PEOPLE. To prove a point.

Only if they literally ask for it, and of course they can stop it whenever they want. Ultimately, i highly doubt most pussy-ass pro-torture people would take the challenge and that in itself, would prove a point.

Mancow is a great representation of what i'm talking about here. He volunteered, for perspective.

Why aren't you speaking out against this video?

 

[silverhawks]

Only if they literally ask for it, and of course they can stop it whenever they want. Ultimately, i highly doubt most pussy-ass pro-torture people would take the challenge.

Mancow is a great representation of what i'm talking about here. He volunteered, for perspective.

Why aren't you speaking out against this video?

Have you even read the thread? Read back up, I AM speaking out against this video.

I'm not interested in people volunteering to be tortured to "gain perspective", I'm concerned that there are people here that would knowingly torture people in order to prove their point. Why the hell are you trying to prove its torture in the first place, if you're not trying to prove its WRONG? If you're not trying to prove that ANYONE who does it or approves of it needs to be prosecuted?

 

[ClayTrainor]

Have you even read the thread? Read back up, I AM speaking out against this video.

My bad, didn't notice, i must have overlooked it.

I'm not interested in people volunteering to be tortured to "gain perspective", I'm concerned that there are people here that would knowingly torture people in order to prove their point.

I think people like ManCow are proving a great point, to the brainwashed public that still thinks torture is a good idea. They are putting it into perspective, so it doesn't seem like some middle-eastern fantasy.

Why the hell are you trying to prove its torture in the first place, if you're not trying to prove its WRONG?

Yes torture is wrong, obviously. I think ManCow does a great job of proving why that is so. If this was involuntary, i would demand prosecution of all men involved, with this case.

If you're not trying to prove that ANYONE who does it or approves of it needs to be prosecuted?

If there was proof that the men in Guantanamo VOLUNTEERED to be tortured, than I would have no problems. Obviously that proof does not exist, and these men are being waterboarded against their will.

If i asked someone to punch me in the face, and signed a waiver... and then they do it, should they be charged with assault? nope, not a chance.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Christopher Hitchens was also waterboarded:

YouTube - Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded (VANITY FAIR)

 

[ClayTrainor]

So did an editor from playboy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/playboy-journo-bets-he-ca_n_189280.html (video at this link)