Man went into Kroger with AK 47

[KMX]

I will not get a CHL. It's unconstitutional. As a patriot I am obligated to disobey unjust laws!

 

[KMX]

I'd wager if more were walking around as KMX, there would be be less robbers in the first place. But that is just me.

x2

 

[presence]

#LiveFree

#standwithKMX

 

[osan]

I open carry at the Elkview Kroger all the time. Also, the one at South Ridge. And all the other stores in the area.

What's the big deal?

 

[osan]

That's awesome! If the sheriffs want to really kick sand in the faces of the anti-gunners, they could deputize law abiding folks 18 and older with volunteer security duty—which is what the Second Amendment really was. We are all supposed to be one large security force.

We are one large peace force please... (Don't go looking for monsters to destroy.)

I must agree with FL here. Words matter and our choices of same can have profound effects on meaning and the shape of perception.

 

[osan]

While I support your right to do this, I think you are stupid to do it.

Why? You make a bold statement, yet give no basis. This seems like a drive-by posting.

 

[osan]

If a bad guy sees a good guy, armed with a AK and 40 round mag, bad guy is making an exit.

Virtual certainty.

 

[osan]

Not all bad guys will think the way you expect them to think.

His statement, taken as a statistical assertion, is abundantly valid to a very high confidence. There are always outliers just as there are no guarantees of perfect safety.

I on the other hand am considering the homicidal maniac archetype.

Few and far between. Very few. Very far between.

Maybe he's a psychopath, maybe he's going through a psychotic break

Maybe you're wringing your hands over possibilities so far out on the ragged fringes they barely merit the least consideration.

or maybe he's cracked out or on PCP.

Such people most often retain the midbrain sense of fundamental self-preservation.

Either way, if I see a vulnerability here, so might this guy.

A comet may strike the earth at 2:41, too.

Worrying about outliers does not invalidate the remedies proper to the six sigma reality.

 

[KMX]

Thank you!

 

[Keith and stuff]

I open carry at the Elkview Kroger all the time. Also, the one at South Ridge. And all the other stores in the area.

What's the big deal?

You have a handgun? He has a rifle. Gov. Perry refuses to allow the open carry of handguns in TX, likely because he hates black people, since that's why the law was created in the first place. The good news is, the likely GOP candidates for governor of TX don't hate black people and say they support open carry of handguns in TX, but only for CCW holders. So maybe they only half-way hate blacks. Better than Perry, I guess. it's TX, known for horrible gun laws. So anything is better than the current law.

 

[cjm]

Everything was fine. I got my city on lock now. I had one problem about 6 months ago, I have that on video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Agw54qyA4


Every since then, not one problem.

Kroger manager called the cops and dispatcher told him "we know" and he is doing nothing wrong.

I wish I had a +rep six pack for you.

Before I go out (even know I don't have to) I call the local PD and kindly let them know what I am doing that way when people call they get educated. Not every person with a gun is a bad guy and what I am doing is 100% legal.

Smart.

While I support your right to do this, I think you are stupid to do it.

This is the difference between having a name and having a number, 69360.

I'm with 69360 on this, you have the right to do this, but it isn't the smartest thing in the world, that's for sure.

IMHO, this may be the smartest way to protect the right to keep and bear arms that exists. I will be here on Saturday.

 

[pcosmar]

If an insane bad guy armed with a concealed pistol sees a *singular* good guy, armed with an AK-47 and 40 round mag, the well-armed good guy just became a more attractive target than the cash register up front. Given the right amount of crazy, the insane bad guy just might casually sneak up on the well-armed good guy in the produce aisle when he's looking for the freshest oranges (or near the Lucky Charms for irony?) and cap him in the back of the head at point-blank range to acquire his AK-47.

Yeah,, because this happens all the time with cops visibly displaying their weapons.

Roll Eyes Sarcastc.

That is the stupidest argument that is often repeated.

 

[RickyJ]

Yeah,, because this happens all the time with cops visibly displaying their weapons.

Roll Eyes Sarcastc.

That is the stupidest argument that is often repeated.

The benefit of concealed weapon is that it doesn't make you in any way appear to be a threat, which you can be in a instant. Advertising you are a threat isn't the smartest idea if your objectives are self defense.

 

[Danke]

One of my favorite junk yards recently posted a sign on their front door that guns were not allowed. I will not be going there again.

 

[pcosmar]

The benefit of concealed weapon is that it doesn't make you in any way appear to be a threat, which you can be in a instant. Advertising you are a threat isn't the smartest idea if your objectives are self defense.

A visible firearm does not make a person a threat. Any more than a person with boots is a threat.

Criminals (and I was one once) look for soft targets. Or those that appear soft.

Advertizing that you are a hard target is an immediate deterrent.

and BTW,, The only time I ever carried concealed was when I was involved in criminal activity,, and didn't want to advertize it.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

OH, okay, I see it now. It's on your other shoulder. I was expecting a darker color, and I overlooked it. (I think I mistook you for being skinnier or something, and mistook the strap for being empty space on the shelf behind you, and the part of your shirt below that as something on the shelf, and didn't see that wasn't consistent with the uppermost skin on your arm being occluded...or something.)

Anyway, after thinking about it though, I do have some constructive criticism: I know little about the strengths and weaknesses of various firearms, but my gut tells me an AK-47 might not be a practical choice for defending a crowded grocery store. I understand the point is to get people more accustomed to open carrying and to serve as a deterrent to would-be armed robbers, and the size of that thing probably works well on both counts...but in an actual armed robbery scenario, would you be able to realistically defend the place with an AK-47 without endangering bystanders? If the answer is no, a savvy robber might realize, "LOL, he can't fire that thing in here anyway." A more volatile adversary might continue that thought with, "...but I can...and I kind of want to...and he doesn't know I'm a threat yet."

In general, it seems like the smartest grocery store carry would be something with a strong emphasis on accuracy and control. In the specific climate we're dealing with, where almost nobody carries anything at all (open or concealed), something less flashy might also help you avoid becoming a blitz attack target, even if it diminishes the "desensitization" aspect. That won't be important in the future as open carrying becomes more popular and widespread, but it's probably an important consideration for the time being.

A CQB AR-15 would work nicely. 10.5" would do some serious work in Kroger if you ever were put in a horrid situation you had to use it.

 

[KingNothing]

More power to you for doing this, but you're putting yourself at risk of something bad happening by doing it. And that is just because you're doing something so far from the norm. Right or wrong, it will make people uncomfortable, and people tend to do weird things when faced with an unconventional circumstance. You're introducing more variability into your life. So, just be very careful. I'd hate to read about something bad happening to a person who is obviously a good guy and a freedom lover.

 

[KingNothing]

One of my favorite junk yards recently posted a sign on their front door that guns were not allowed. I will not be going there again.

Incidentally, I love that you have a "favorite junk yard."

 

[KingNothing]

Yeah,, because this happens all the time with cops visibly displaying their weapons.

Roll Eyes Sarcastc.

That is the stupidest argument that is often repeated.

He should be more afraid of being shot by a nervous cop than a potential robber.

 

[jtap]

He should be more afraid of being shot by a nervous cop than a potential robber.

That is such a valid point it is sad to think about. However, having a concealed weapon and having to remove it from being concealed would make a cop very nervous also. There are multiple facets to everything. The idea that having a gun makes you a target, well not having one makes you a target like not having an anti-theft system for your car makes your car a target over ones that do however, if someone wants to steal a car alarm...then now your anti-theft system made you a target.

What's more likely that they will avoid you when you are visibly armed or select you because you appear unarmed?

Also, another super small possibility that the person who wants to be killed will select you because you are visibly armed and use you instead of their alternate plan of suicide by cop.