Man tells cops they can't enter without a warrant, they kick in door, kill him.

[Anti Federalist]

The 4th amendment (I think its the 4th anyway) is mistakenly thought sometimes that it applies to police, however it only applies to unlawful searches. If a police officer conducted the search, it is by definition not unlawful

I liked the old bxm better, before your mind broke.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Indeed, always let them search your trunk. Its not like you have illegal weapons in your trunk, ... Right?

Pick another mountain to die on. Not that one.

 

[Anti Federalist]

In interactions with police:

Rule # 1 - Survive.

Rule #2 - There are no hard and fast rules to ensure that.

ANY encounter with the state's enforcers can turn deadly, in seconds.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nonsense. We can start sending police home, tits-up, any time we want.

It ain't over 'till it's over.

Bingo.

 

[phill4paul]

I liked the old bxm better, before your mind broke.

Not his fault...

 

[Ronin Truth]

Rule #2 - There are no hard and fast rules to ensure that.

ANY encounter with the state's enforcers can turn deadly, in seconds.

#3 Increase the odds of achieving rule #1 however you need to.

 

[Cissy]

You must learn, child, that what would be wrong for you or for any of the common people is not wrong in a great police officer such as I. ... We must be freed from all rules.*Ours is a high and lonely destiny.”

(With apologies to C.S. Lewis)

 

[phill4paul]

#3 Increase the odds of achieving rule #1 however you need to.

And then what?

 

[sparebulb]

Is this really the mountain you want to die on? Livingston was an idiot, and Darwin caught up with him. Police would not have been there without a call to service. Courts have repeatedly upheld Assault reports validate warrantless entry for the imminent exigency potential. The police do not have a crystal ball to determine what is and is not going on related to the alleged assault, without investigating. Given the supposed suspect is reported to not have even been there, upon such investigation, Livingston would still be alive if he wasn't so damn stupid. If he was going to violently uphold his right to warrantless entry, at least he should have been right.

Seems much more sincere than BXM042.

FrankRep?

 

[Ronin Truth]

And then what?

Go home alive.

 

[Cissy]

Is this really the mountain you want to die on? Livingston was an idiot, and Darwin caught up with him. Police would not have been there without a call to service. Courts have repeatedly upheld Assault reports validate warrantless entry for the imminent exigency potential. The police do not have a crystal ball to determine what is and is not going on related to the alleged assault, without investigating. Given the supposed suspect is reported to not have even been there, upon such investigation, Livingston would still be alive if he wasn't so damn stupid. If he was going to violently uphold his right to warrantless entry, at least he should have been right.

http://www.constitution.org/bor/otis_against_writs.htm

Now, one of the most essential branches of English liberty is the freedom of one's house. A man's house is his castle; and whilst he is quiet, he is as well guarded as a prince in his castle. This writ, if it should be declared legal, would totally annihilate this privilege. Custom-house officers may enter our houses when they please; we are commanded to permit their entry. Their menial servants may enter, may break locks, bars, and everything in their way; and whether they break through malice or revenge, no man, no court can inquire. Bare suspicion without oath is sufficient.

 

[phill4paul]

Go home alive.

And then what?

 

[Ronin Truth]

And then what?

How much of the rest of your life am I expected to figure out for you?

 

[phill4paul]

How much of the rest of your life am I expected to figure out for you?

I'm trying to go down your road until you reach the cul-de-sac. I'm fine with the road I've mapped for myself.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Is this really the mountain you want to die on? Livingston was an idiot, and Darwin caught up with him. Police would not have been there without a call to service. Courts have repeatedly upheld Assault reports validate warrantless entry for the imminent exigency potential. The police do not have a crystal ball to determine what is and is not going on related to the alleged assault, without investigating. Given the supposed suspect is reported to not have even been there, upon such investigation, Livingston would still be alive if he wasn't so damn stupid. If he was going to violently uphold his right to warrantless entry, at least he should have been right.

So - it's okay for cops to commit deadly assault in the name of the urgency of investigating assaults?

And "violently uphold his right" ... ? What the hell are you talking about?

If the facts as reported in the OP are correct (see below), John Livingston did not "viiolently" do a goddam thing - the cops did.

Livingston did not do anything to deserve being attacked, let alone killed - so you can blow your smug "Darwin" cracks out your ass ...

If some goons who didn't have uniforms and badges had done this, there would not be any doubt as to the murderous criminality of the act.

But hey, violent thuggery is just fine and dandy as long as it's done by government-credentialed agents in the name of "law and order," amirite?

From the OP:

Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff's deputies kicked a man's door down at 3:30am this past Sunday and killed him after he told them they couldn't search his home "without a search warrant."

After John Livingston, 33, shut his door in the deputies face with his demand for a warrant, his roommate says police "kicked in the door, got on top of him, started slinging him around [and] beat him."

They then sprayed mace in his face and [tasered him].

When Livingston attempted to remove the taser from the hands of the officer who was shocking him, the deputies executed him claiming he got a hold of their weapon.

 

[VegasPatriot]

Is this really the mountain you want to die on? Livingston was an idiot, and Darwin caught up with him. Police would not have been there without a call to service. Courts have repeatedly upheld Assault reports validate warrantless entry for the imminent exigency potential. The police do not have a crystal ball to determine what is and is not going on related to the alleged assault, without investigating. Given the supposed suspect is reported to not have even been there, upon such investigation, Livingston would still be alive if he wasn't so damn stupid. If he was going to violently uphold his right to warrantless entry, at least he should have been right.

-rep

you should be ashamed of yourself for that comment

article from Oath Keepers website:

NC father killed for asking for a search warrant

In yet another tragic citizen shooting by police. This time a father was beat, tazed, maced and ultimately shot several times..for what crime you ask? For merely refusing to allow a deputy into his residence at 3:40 in the morning without a proper search warrant. Do our constitutional rights already mean nothing? It is beyond time to start holding these rouge officers responsible for their actions. In this and so many more just this month those actions look to be murder (at times even executions.) It is time for us to start demanding that the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs rein in their lose cannons and train them in Constitutional Rights, de-escalation and proper use of force. I will soon be posting a series of articles and interviews on this topic.

Here is the story according to WNCN:
SPRING LAKE, N.C. (WNCN) – A dad was shot several times and died in an officer-involved shooting in Spring Lake Sunday morning, witnesses said.

CLICK TO VIEW PHOTOS OF LIVINGSTON, THE SCENE AND FAMILY MEMBERS
The incident occurred just before 3:40 a.m. at a residence near the intersection of Stage Road and W. Everett Drive when deputies arrived on scene to conduct an assault investigation, the Harnett County Sheriff’s Office said.


LATEST UPDATE:Deputy’s name released in fatal Harnett Co. officer-involved shooting
According to authorities, “a confrontation with an individual resulted in a shooting.” The person involved in the confrontation was pronounced dead at the scene, while the deputy received minor injuries.
Clayton Carroll told WNCN that his roommate, 33-year-old John Livingston was shot several times by a Harnett County Sheriff deputy during the incident.
Carroll says sheriff’s deputies knocked on their door around 3:30 a.m.
Carroll said they were looking for someone that no longer lived there. When deputies asked Livingston if they could search the trailer, Livingston said “not without a search warrant,” according to Carroll.
Livingston then closed the door.


MORE UPDATES:NC SBI agents interviewing witnesses and the deputies involved
“The cop kicked in the door, got on top of him, started slinging him around beat him…” Carroll said.
Carroll said sheriff’s deputies then started spraying mace on Livingston and using the Taser, according to the roommate.
Witnesses said Livingston was not fighting back and was trying to get the Taser out of the deputy’s hands.
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The incident eventually continued outside.
“He (Livingston) barely had the Taser in his hand but he had it where it was constantly going off and the officer I guess that spoke to him rolled over there, says he got the Taser and shot him in this position,” Carroll said while on the deck outside the home demonstrating what happened.


WNCN saw six bullet holes in the side of the home from the shooting.
LATEST UPDATE:Deputy’s name released in fatal Harnett Co. officer-involved shooting
Carroll said Livingston was shot six times, while another witness in the home, Bristol Edge, said Livingston was shot at least four times.
Livingston died a short time later. Carroll said Livingston did not have a weapon.
Livingston’s friends call him a very kind man and an incredible carpenter, they say he built the front porch deck a month ago for everyone to have a good time on.
The father of three is described as a hard worker and very loving.
“That’s the blanket I kept putting on him and telling him to breathe until he was gone because I knew he wasn’t breathing anymore,” said Bristol Edge, a friend, pointing to a blanket still on the blood-stained front porch on Sunday afternoon.
As per standard procedure, the deputies involved have been placed on administrative leave and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation is investigating the shooting.
Authorities have not released the identity of the deputies involved.

 

[Origanalist]

Seems much more sincere than BXM042.

FrankRep?

No. I'm pretty sure he's not.

 

[Origanalist]

Is this really the mountain you want to die on? Livingston was an idiot, and Darwin caught up with him. Police would not have been there without a call to service. Courts have repeatedly upheld Assault reports validate warrantless entry for the imminent exigency potential. The police do not have a crystal ball to determine what is and is not going on related to the alleged assault, without investigating. Given the supposed suspect is reported to not have even been there, upon such investigation, Livingston would still be alive if he wasn't so damn stupid. If he was going to violently uphold his right to warrantless entry, at least he should have been right.

Did someone hijack your account, or are you just reverting to your roots?

 

[RJB]

RT and LL should leave sarcasm to experts like BXM.

 

[Mani]

...If he was going to violently uphold his right...

So telling someone to get a warrant and close the door is now considered Violent?