Making peace between different groups

[newbitech]

You were just saying I was taking stuff out of context even though I supplied you with the entire video. Now your saying he was talking about tainted beef when the whole discussion was about 9-11 truthers supporting Ron Paul.

I thought the truth movement was about truth. If that's the case why do you insist on lieing to our faces.

lol, I asked a question, which is different from making a statement. I did not say he was talking about tainted beef. I asked what he was talking about and used a bit of sarcasm to point you in the right direction.

Could you answer the question without trying to mesmerize me with you superior grasp of the English language?

 

[newbitech]

by the way, I am still waiting for these other sources to surface that will prove what you and several others have said about Ron Paul supposedly distancing himself from 911 Truth on more than this one occasion.

Please share those sources.

 

[jmdrake]

One issue I think everyone else is missing is that truthers are constantly attacked, insulted, ridiculed, etc by the MSM.

Unfortunately, we NEED the MSM to get the next generation of Ron Paul Republicans elected. We tried to go without the MSM for the Presidential campaign, and we have yet to won a state, and have at most only 1/10 of the delegates that John McCain has.

Either we attach the truthers to the Ron Paul Revolution, and face even greater difficulties in getting Ron Paul Republicans into Congress.

Or we keep them separate. It will still be a hard battle, but we won't have to talk about the truthers at nearly every debate as Ron Paul did.

Most poeple in the truther movement fail to realize that the average Joe or Jane American doesn't like them, and will dislike anyone associated with them. You simply can't "beat someone with a hammer", until they "wake up".


Either way, someone's going to be angry. Flame on

I'm not going to flame you. But I will calmly and dispassionately rip you a new one. (Just kidding).

The problem with your logic is this. You're wrongly assuming that the reason the MSM didn't give Ron Paul his fair day in the sun is because of 9/11 truth. Well nothing could be FURTHER from the truth! The MSM has plenty of OTHER reasons to shun Ron Paul. Need I go through them?

* Ron Paul speaking out about the North American Union "conspiracy"
* Ron Paul speaking out against the national ID card
* Ron Paul seeking to abolish the IRS
* Ron Paul seeking to abolish the Federal Reserve
* Ron Paul seeking to abolish the CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA, Department of Education, Department of Energy
* Ron Paul talking about the devaluation of the dollar

And the list goes on. There is a LOT about Ron Paul that seems "kooky" if you are ignorant. Further Ron Paul HAS kept 9/11 truthers at arms length. The "that's preposterous" comment along with other comments for one thing. I've seen a LOT of video clips of people walking around with Ron Paul 2008 signs at events of other candidates without ever seeing a "9/11 was an inside job" sign mixed in. I'm not saying it never happened. But at every meetup event I've been too there have been other truthers there besides me. If truthers wanted to be the nuisance everyone claims we are then I would have seen more real MSM evidence (as opposed to MSM innuendo) of this.

Here's the deal. The march is a last ditch effort show of unity and strength. It's going to happen to late to effect the delegate count much anyway. It's really about getting coverage at this point ANY coverage! I would rather the MSM cover the march and say "There are a least 1 million people at there and I even see some 9/11 truth t-shirt in the crowd" than to say "Well only a few thousand people showed up. They were all nicely dressed in their formal wear. But clearly the revolution is dead." We've wasted far too much energy in this campaign trying to control our fellow supporters rather than attacking the enemy.

Finally we have far more delegates than Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter or Rudy Giuliani despite the fact that none of them have a "truther problem".

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

lol, I asked a question, which is different from making a statement. I did not say he was talking about tainted beef. I asked what he was talking about and used a bit of sarcasm to point you in the right direction.

Could you answer the question without trying to mesmerize me with you superior grasp of the English language?

You know EXACTLY what he was talking about. You watched the video. He was talking about 9-11 truthers.

I know you watched that video because you quoted it. So please don't insult my intelligence.

by the way, I am still waiting for these other sources to surface that will prove what you and several others have said about Ron Paul supposedly distancing himself from 911 Truth on more than this one occasion.

Please share those sources.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-28-_tv1qg

At 1:00 he completely denies the truth movement.

 

[jmdrake]

Theyre not stupid. The only 9-11 signs that will be there will be by agent provacateurs. This division-causing thread can only serve to put off 9-11 truthers from attending the rally and hurting our numbers.

By the way, I happen to know that many within the campaign are truthers. They have a sense of propriety however, as does Alex Jones, and will make sure this rally is successful.

QFT! Truthers have by in large NOT gone around with 9/11 signs at Ron Paul events! Like you said the biggest threat is that all of the attacks on truthers will simply hurt the final numbers.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

QFT! Truthers have by in large NOT gone around with 9/11 signs at Ron Paul events! Like you said the biggest threat is that all of the attacks on truthers will simply hurt the final numbers.

No one is attacking truthers or keeping them from showing up. They are attacking the people rude enough to try to highjack Ron Paul's movement to boost the popularity of their own failing movement.

The truthers we like are the truthers that know better than to mix the two together since they have nothing to do with each other.

 

[jmdrake]

You know EXACTLY what he was talking about. You watched the video. He was talking about 9-11 truthers.

I know you watched that video because you quoted it. So please don't insult my intelligence.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-28-_tv1qg

At 1:00 he completely denies the truth movement.

And yet he goes on Alex Jones to announce the march. Whodathunkit? There obviously will be truthers at the march. In the end it won't make a difference other than to swell the crowd. Anyone in the MSM that doesn't already know that some truthers support Ron Paul is an absolute idiot. I emphasize some because there are other truthers who neither like nor support Dr. Paul. The MSM harped on the truther issue mainly to cause dissension within the campaign and they have been quite successful at this.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

And yet he goes on Alex Jones to announce the march. Whodathunkit? There obviously will be truthers at the march. In the end it won't make a difference other than to swell the crowd. Anyone in the MSM that doesn't already know that some truthers support Ron Paul is an absolute idiot. I emphasize some because there are other truthers who neither like nor support Dr. Paul. The MSM harped on the truther issue mainly to cause dissension within the campaign and they have been quite successful at this.

Regards,

John M. Drake

There are tons of things that the media could look at and say boy Ron Paul sure is crazy. That's really not what I'm pissed about.

I'm pissed because Ron Paul denies the truth movement. He has denied it tons of times. It completely conflicts with the reasons he believes 9-11 happened. And because of this denial it is 100% inappropriate and completely rude to bring 9-11 truth signs to a Ron Paul rally.

It's exactly the same as someone bringing a "Bomb Iran" sign or a "Raise Taxes for the common good" sign.

It's exactly the opposite of what Ron Paul supports and it is confusing the issues rather than focusing the movement and making us stronger. The truthers who bring their signs are so intent on pushing their agenda they are willing to send the movement to hell in a hand basket over it and I am completely baffled and appalled that these people can call themselves Ron Paul supporters when they are completely unwilling to leave their signs at home at a Ron paul rally when on several occations Ron Paul has denied the movement.

 

[newbitech]

You know EXACTLY what he was talking about. You watched the video. He was talking about 9-11 truthers.

I know you watched that video because you quoted it. So please don't insult my intelligence.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-28-_tv1qg

At 1:00 he completely denies the truth movement.

I am not trying to insult your intelligence, but what you are doing is acting just like FOX news and this other pundit you are citing as a source. You are insulting Ron Paul's intelligence by claiming that just because Ron Paul disagrees with a conspiracy theory that he is also rejecting the idea that Alex Jones and 911 truthers belong in the same movement that he is a part of.

I think you are still falling for MSM propaganda by citing a source who is attacking Ron Paul. I knew that this would be another source that gets cited. Go look up and find out who John Gibson is.

Here let me help.

American conservative talk show host, co-hosting the weekday edition of The Big Story on the Fox News television channel and The John Gibson Show on Fox News Radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibson_(media_host)

See the common thread here.

Please find me another source that is not FOX News. By the way, did you here what Dr. Paul said at

:53 "I don't think its a relevant concern"

and

1:05 "with people who agree I would never be allowed to be on FOX"

So PLEASE for the love of all that is good, give me a source that is NOT FOX that shows Dr. Paul separating himself from 911 Truth.

For crying out loud this source you cited CUTS HIM OFF!!! Just like some people want to do to 911 Truth! This is not the way to get people to a rally!!!!

 

[jmdrake]

No one is attacking truthers or keeping them from showing up. They are attacking the people rude enough to try to highjack Ron Paul's movement to boost the popularity of their own failing movement.

The truthers we like are the truthers that know better than to mix the two together since they have nothing to do with each other.

Their own failing movement? Bullocks! And it's stupid posts like yours that have caused the most problems in this campaign. If the truth movement has "faltered" it's because a lot of people like me have taken a year off to help a campaign that otherwise might not have gone as far. And before you say something else stupid, no I do not think truthers single handedly created the Ron Paul revolution. But from truther Trevor Lymons money bombs to all of the Alex Jones listeners that Ron Paul himself says he runs into on the campaign trail truthers have certainly been a boost. Hey, maybe you would have rather had the campaign of Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter who never made it past 2% and had almost no fundraising success. But at least those campaigns were "truther free" right? You sir are the only one being rude. The truthers "we like"? Who's "we"? You and your pet mouse? I'm tired of this "We hate your guts and we will take any opportunity to slam you even if you do play by our rules but please give us your money, your votes and your ideas" garbage coming from your side of the campaign.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[newbitech]

No one is attacking truthers or keeping them from showing up. They are attacking the people rude enough to try to highjack Ron Paul's movement to boost the popularity of their own failing movement.

The truthers we like are the truthers that know better than to mix the two together since they have nothing to do with each other.

doublespeak.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

I am not trying to insult your intelligence, but what you are doing is acting just like FOX news and this other pundit you are citing as a source. You are insulting Ron Paul's intelligence by claiming that just because Ron Paul disagrees with a conspiracy theory that he is also rejecting the idea that Alex Jones and 911 truthers belong in the same movement that he is a part of.

I think you are still falling for MSM propaganda by citing a source who is attacking Ron Paul. I knew that this would be another source that gets cited. Go look up and find out who John Gibson is.

Here let me help.

American conservative talk show host, co-hosting the weekday edition of The Big Story on the Fox News television channel and The John Gibson Show on Fox News Radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibson_(media_host)

See the common thread here.

Please find me another source that is not FOX News. By the way, did you here what Dr. Paul said at

:53 "I don't think its a relevant concern"

and

1:05 "with people who agree I would never be allowed to be on FOX"

So PLEASE for the love of all that is good, give me a source that is NOT FOX that shows Dr. Paul separating himself from 911 Truth.

For crying out loud this source you cited CUTS HIM OFF!!! Just like some people want to do to 911 Truth! This is not the way to get people to a rally!!!!

The source isn't fox news! I'm really trying hard not to call you names here. The source is Ron Paul! It came out of his mouth! It doesn't matter who reported it coming out of his mouth. That's not the source. If you think fox news is the source you have no idea what a source is.

And of course I'm going to have trouble finding Ron Paul even talking about the truth movement on any other venue because Fox News is the only news venue rediculious enough to ask about truthers when they know damn well he doesn't endorse them.

 

[newbitech]

The source isn't fox news! I'm really trying hard not to call you names here. The source is Ron Paul! It came out of his mouth! It doesn't matter who reported it coming out of his mouth. That's not the source. If you think fox news is the source you have no idea what a source is.

And of course I'm going to have trouble finding Ron Paul even talking about the truth movement on any other venue because Fox News is the only news venue rediculious enough to ask about truthers when they know damn well he doesn't endorse them.

motives my friend motives. and I have already given you plenty of non bias propaganda free sources.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

motives my friend motives.

WTH are you talking about. What motives? He was asked about the truth movement and he responded. It doesn't matter what the venue was there is 0 way for them to skew a live interview like that. And if they did skew it they would have skewed it to make it sound like the endorses them. Why the hell would Fox News WANT Ron Paul distancing himself from the truth movement. They'd want him as close to it as possible.

 

[jmdrake]

There are tons of things that the media could look at and say boy Ron Paul sure is crazy. That's really not what I'm pissed about.

I'm pissed because Ron Paul denies the truth movement. He has denied it tons of times. It completely conflicts with the reasons he believes 9-11 happened. And because of this denial it is 100% inappropriate and completely rude to bring 9-11 truth signs to a Ron Paul rally.

It's exactly the same as someone bringing a "Bomb Iran" sign or a "Raise Taxes for the common good" sign.

It's exactly the opposite of what Ron Paul supports and it is confusing the issues rather than focusing the movement and making us stronger. The truthers who bring their signs are so intent on pushing their agenda they are willing to send the movement to hell in a hand basket over it and I am completely baffled and appalled that these people can call themselves Ron Paul supporters when they are completely unwilling to leave their signs at home at a Ron paul rally when on several occations Ron Paul has denied the movement.

Bullocks! First Ron Paul has called the 9/11 commission report "a farce" and a "coverup of incompetence". The "opposite" of the truther position would be to say "I believe the 9/11 commission report exactly as it is printed". Also from a policy standpoint Ron Paul and 9/11 truthers are in complete agreement. If you don't believe the official story then all of these illegal wars to "make us safe" simply make no sense. Same with asking Americans to "give up liberty for security". Ron Paul also supports a new investigation. That's not something someone who took the OPPOSITE view on 9/11 from truthers would do.

Early on Ron Paul was VERY careful in how he worded his disagreements with 9/11 truthers. He would say things like "While there are unanswered questions I don't think this ads up to proof." That's reasonable. A careful district attorney won't go for an indictment unless he has a rock solid case. But that's not the same as saying that such a case is impossible.

Really you do more damage to Ron Paul with your outlandish statements than do truthers. Reinvestigate 9/11 = "bomb Iran"? Are you kidding?

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[newbitech]

WTH are you talking about. What motives? He was asked about the truth movement and he responded. It doesn't matter what the venue was there is 0 way for them to skew a live interview like that. And if they did skew it they would have skewed it to make it sound like the endorses them. Why the hell would Fox News WANT Ron Paul distancing himself from the truth movement. They'd want him as close to it as possible.

why oh why would Ron Paul distance himself from 911 on a fox news show? did you not hear what he said?

please go watch outfoxed. I promise you it is 100% fact and has nothing to do with 911 truth, alex jones OR Ron Paul. After you have seen it and still stand behind this particular post, then I can move on.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

why oh why would Ron Paul distance himself from 911 on a fox news show? did you not hear what he said?

please go watch outfoxed. I promise you it is 100% fact and has nothing to do with 911 truth, alex jones OR Ron Paul. After you have seen it and still stand behind this particular post, then I can move on.

Are you suggesting Ron Paul lied?

 

[Working Poor]

I think truthers ought to work to hold the Bush administration accountable for 9-11 instead of trying to make it Ron Paul's issue.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

I think truthers ought to work to hold the Bush administration accountable for 9-11 instead of trying to make it Ron Paul's issue.

If you ask me they need to tone down the hole "9-11 was an inside job" garbage and all the random other conspiracies they have. If they kept it completely about transparency in government and trying to figure out who was accountable for the security failures I would be completely 100% on board with them. Unfortunately that's now what they are about anymore.

 

[Tidewise]

A Ron Paul R3volution kid asked me if I was part of the 9/11 Truth movement. I told him I was part of the Truth About Everything movement.