Majority of Americans want Ed Snowden charged

[Christian Liberty]

You're probably right that Rand is going to get worse in order to win. When you think about the things that Rand supports, he's really not THAT much better than the average Republican. He still supports unemployment benefits. He still supports Israel. He still support social security. He still supports drug laws.

The two areas I really thought Rand was a lot better is that I believed he'd be an improvement on the surveillance issues, and I thought he'd be less hostile to Iran. That's probably true to some degree, but its not enough. He's not serious enough about avoiding war to avoid voting for evil sanctions and for actions that will help Israel "defend itself" if it attacks Iran (There is no typo there, it sounds Orwellian but that's literally the piece of crap he signed.) I was going to give him one more chance even after that one. But then we find he's not serious enough about surveilance prevention to support freedom for the HERO who exposed the government.

Heck, even Obama promised protection for whistleblowers. I agree that it was a blatant lie, but the point is, he actually gave lip service to it. And look at him now. Rand is actually worse on this issue than Obama was in 2008.

Believe me, I wanted Rand to be the candidate. But, as Sola_Fide pointed out awhile ago, government corrupts. People get LESS pro-liberty as they go higher up, not more. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks Rand will actually get BETTER after he becomes President is deluding themselves. If the level of liberty that he supports is acceptable to you, go for it. You guys are smart people, and if you think its worthwhile, that's fine. But I just can't do it. I'll stick with educating people. No, it doesn't work, and Rand Paul getting elected won't work either. But at least I don't have to compromise my ethics to do it. If I were to vote for Rand at this point, it would be for the same "Lesser of evils" logic that people tried to use to defend Romney, McCain, etc. I won't do it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You're probably right that Rand is going to get worse in order to win. When you think about the things that Rand supports, he's really not THAT much better than the average Republican. He still supports unemployment benefits. He still supports Israel. He still support social security. He still supports drug laws.

The two areas I really thought Rand was a lot better is that I believed he'd be an improvement on the surveillance issues, and I thought he'd be less hostile to Iran. That's probably true to some degree, but its not enough. He's not serious enough about avoiding war to avoid voting for evil sanctions and for actions that will help Israel "defend itself" if it attacks Iran (There is no typo there, it sounds Orwellian but that's literally the piece of crap he signed.) I was going to give him one more chance even after that one. But then we find he's not serious enough about surveilance prevention to support freedom for the HERO who exposed the government.

Heck, even Obama promised protection for whistleblowers. I agree that it was a blatant lie, but the point is, he actually gave lip service to it. And look at him now. Rand is actually worse on this issue than Obama was in 2008.

Believe me, I wanted Rand to be the candidate. But, as Sola_Fide pointed out awhile ago, government corrupts. People get LESS pro-liberty as they go higher up, not more. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks Rand will actually get BETTER after he becomes President is deluding themselves. If the level of liberty that he supports is acceptable to you, go for it. You guys are smart people, and if you think its worthwhile, that's fine. But I just can't do it. I'll stick with educating people. No, it doesn't work, and Rand Paul getting elected won't work either. But at least I don't have to compromise my ethics to do it. If I were to vote for Rand at this point, it would be for the same "Lesser of evils" logic that people tried to use to defend Romney, McCain, etc. I won't do it.

I actually stopped taking them seriously when they started toasting Super Big Gulps on political podiums while agribusiness, big pharma and biotech continues to run amok like cowboys on the human species.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

It could just be an attempt at incrementalism. Just like how most drug policy reform advocates first just focused on medical marijuana, and now on recreational marijuana. At some point once recreational marijuana becomes a normality they'll push the boundaries further, but if at the beginning they were like "legalize all drugs NOW no exceptions!!!" they'd be looked at as nuts. Hope that's the case anyway. Rand could be feeling that he might be able to get people to nod their heads to "only a few years" after looking at those public polls and seeing that the majority does support charges. Once people are thinking "only a few years" maybe they'll wise up...

or maybe, just maybe Rand isn't a real liberty advocate. But with him watching his father get attacked as he has (and even attacks on himself from douches like Peter King), I'm sure Rand feels a pressure to show to the people that he's not a terrorist sympathizer.

 

[FindLiberty]

...people in my family who would probably (they aren't really informed enough to actually know) prosecute Snowden if they know what he did. Their ignorance frustrates me ....

Help fix it?

Hero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbBGJZ2Wew&feature=share

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have made it sound like I was excusing the government. I'm not. If they weren't in the mix and using technology in the manner in which they do against the people the world would be just fine with living in the information age as far as I can tell though.

Eh, no worries...hey, Boobus is fine with it anyways.

I honestly think that most would thank a cop for raping their daughter.

"Thank you officer, I know it's a hard job keeping us safe...no no, don't mind her, she always wails and sobs uncontrollably. Thanks again officer!"

 

[Fredom101]

I'm supposed to believe that an election is going to "save" this country, huh?

Ha! Yeah see the definition of insanity!

 

[Fredom101]

You're probably right that Rand is going to get worse in order to win. When you think about the things that Rand supports, he's really not THAT much better than the average Republican. He still supports unemployment benefits. He still supports Israel. He still support social security. He still supports drug laws.

The two areas I really thought Rand was a lot better is that I believed he'd be an improvement on the surveillance issues, and I thought he'd be less hostile to Iran. That's probably true to some degree, but its not enough. He's not serious enough about avoiding war to avoid voting for evil sanctions and for actions that will help Israel "defend itself" if it attacks Iran (There is no typo there, it sounds Orwellian but that's literally the piece of crap he signed.) I was going to give him one more chance even after that one. But then we find he's not serious enough about surveilance prevention to support freedom for the HERO who exposed the government.

Heck, even Obama promised protection for whistleblowers. I agree that it was a blatant lie, but the point is, he actually gave lip service to it. And look at him now. Rand is actually worse on this issue than Obama was in 2008.

Believe me, I wanted Rand to be the candidate. But, as Sola_Fide pointed out awhile ago, government corrupts. People get LESS pro-liberty as they go higher up, not more. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks Rand will actually get BETTER after he becomes President is deluding themselves. If the level of liberty that he supports is acceptable to you, go for it. You guys are smart people, and if you think its worthwhile, that's fine. But I just can't do it. I'll stick with educating people. No, it doesn't work, and Rand Paul getting elected won't work either. But at least I don't have to compromise my ethics to do it. If I were to vote for Rand at this point, it would be for the same "Lesser of evils" logic that people tried to use to defend Romney, McCain, etc. I won't do it.

I can't see how a true libertarian could support Rand when he doesn't support liberty. Yes he is "better than most senators" but who cares? This is the biggest group of criminals in the world. How is being better than most of them even a good thing? I for one will not be supporting Rand in 2016 and instead will vote "No Confidence" by staying home and keeping my TV OFF!

 

[Christian Liberty]

It could just be an attempt at incrementalism. Just like how most drug policy reform advocates first just focused on medical marijuana, and now on recreational marijuana. At some point once recreational marijuana becomes a normality they'll push the boundaries further, but if at the beginning they were like "legalize all drugs NOW no exceptions!!!" they'd be looked at as nuts. Hope that's the case anyway. Rand could be feeling that he might be able to get people to nod their heads to "only a few years" after looking at those public polls and seeing that the majority does support charges. Once people are thinking "only a few years" maybe they'll wise up...

or maybe, just maybe Rand isn't a real liberty advocate. But with him watching his father get attacked as he has (and even attacks on himself from douches like Peter King), I'm sure Rand feels a pressure to show to the people that he's not a terrorist sympathizer.

Honestly, even most of the conservatives I've talked to (Admittedly a small sample size) are better than Rand on this. Mind you, these are mostly real conservatives, not neocons. I know if I went to the neocons in my family they'd think Rand was "Soft" on them, but frankly, those people just need to have Larken Rose thrown in their face, you can't "gradually" wake them up. I knew better than this even back in 2010.

I can't see how a true libertarian could support Rand when he doesn't support liberty. Yes he is "better than most senators" but who cares? This is the biggest group of criminals in the world. How is being better than most of them even a good thing? I for one will not be supporting Rand in 2016 and instead will vote "No Confidence" by staying home and keeping my TV OFF!

I've actually been criticized on epautos for being a little too tolerant of people who don't 100% jive with the philosophy. I don't have all the answers here, but I'm generally a little bit tolerant on domestic issues, especially state level ones. There are some that I am not, of course. But this was just ridiculous from Rand. Not to mention he still support Prohibition, Social Security, and "supporting Israel." Rand is seriously, seriously flawed, not just imperfect. Of course, some people will just take Ron's fatherly "99%" that we all know is crap to heart, but I'm looking at what Rand is saying and leaving Ron out of it... he falls short.

That said, I understand not everyone is going to agree on where to draw the line. Ron was not perfect either. He seriously goofed up in 2001. He voted for the partial birth abortion ban act even though it was blatantly unconstitutional (To be clear, for anyone who doesn't know me, my issue with this is that it was Federal, not because I believe any abortion whatsoever is actually "OK.") He endorsed some bad people. But at the end of the day, Ron consistently advocated for freedom the vast majority of the time. Rand's compromises are becomming "par for the course." I think I've just decided I've had enough of it.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Eh, no worries...hey, Boobus is fine with it anyways.

I honestly think that most would thank a cop for raping their daughter.

"Thank you officer, I know it's a hard job keeping us safe...no no, don't mind her, she always wails and sobs uncontrollably. Thanks again officer!"

I honestly think you're taking the very true problem of police worship a little TOO far.

That said, Chuck Baldwin says he met an evangelical pastor who said that Romans 13 means that if a cop tries to rape your wife you don't resist. That's the kind of thing I expect to hear from someone trying to make fun of Christianity, not someone who actually claims to believe in Christianity. Apparently that person takes "obey the powers that be" (An inaccurate translation of Romans 13 anyway) higher than the God-given duty to protect your family. I could understand that attitude from a pacifist, but a pacifist wouldn't need Romans 13 to justify it. In that case it was just badge worship and its insane.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Help fix it?

Hero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbBGJZ2Wew&feature=share

I'll watch the video, but I do try to fix it. Most people aren't willing to listen much, but I think I've beaten liberty into my dad's head enough that he's coming around, at least on foreign policy. he's still socially really conservative, but that doesn't bother me half as much. Education is what I try to focus on anyway, not politics. I'd throw a vote someone's way if they were good enough, though. I've decided Rand isn't.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Well. I suppose it's only a 'light' sentence.

They did a bang up job on the strategically placed photo, huh?I wonder who Rand Paul ticked off over at RT America.

http://rt.com/usa/rand-paul-snowden-sentence-242/

 

[Fredom101]

He ticked off Abby Martin a few months ago by refusing to answer her questions and then calling the guards on her. It was disgraceful on Rand's part and he is paying the price.

 

[Dianne]

I call bullchit on this ... That is true bullchit. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans don't even know who Snowden is, lmao.. The majority of Americans don't know who Obama is.

 

[AuH20]

You're probably right that Rand is going to get worse in order to win. When you think about the things that Rand supports, he's really not THAT much better than the average Republican. He still supports unemployment benefits. He still supports Israel. He still support social security. He still supports drug laws.

The two areas I really thought Rand was a lot better is that I believed he'd be an improvement on the surveillance issues, and I thought he'd be less hostile to Iran. That's probably true to some degree, but its not enough. He's not serious enough about avoiding war to avoid voting for evil sanctions and for actions that will help Israel "defend itself" if it attacks Iran (There is no typo there, it sounds Orwellian but that's literally the piece of crap he signed.) I was going to give him one more chance even after that one. But then we find he's not serious enough about surveilance prevention to support freedom for the HERO who exposed the government.

Heck, even Obama promised protection for whistleblowers. I agree that it was a blatant lie, but the point is, he actually gave lip service to it. And look at him now. Rand is actually worse on this issue than Obama was in 2008.

Believe me, I wanted Rand to be the candidate. But, as Sola_Fide pointed out awhile ago, government corrupts. People get LESS pro-liberty as they go higher up, not more. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks Rand will actually get BETTER after he becomes President is deluding themselves. If the level of liberty that he supports is acceptable to you, go for it. You guys are smart people, and if you think its worthwhile, that's fine. But I just can't do it. I'll stick with educating people. No, it doesn't work, and Rand Paul getting elected won't work either. But at least I don't have to compromise my ethics to do it. If I were to vote for Rand at this point, it would be for the same "Lesser of evils" logic that people tried to use to defend Romney, McCain, etc. I won't do it.

You do realize what country you live in? 100 years of socialism disguised with the stars, stripes and apple pie? You can't honestly expect someone to immediately reverse decades of conditioning and ruin overnight? Be happy that we even have an opportunity with someone as open minded as Rand Paul.

 

[DamianTV]

Justin Beiber!

Snowden? Yeah, hes a criminal. Poor Justin Bieber!

 

[69360]

I think he does need to be charged under the current laws to preserve the integrity of our system. But I think he should get a suspended sentence and be free to go. He did the right thing and is a hero.