MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

sailingaway said:
Well Maine already said they threw their paper vote tallies away right away.

But we HAVE a lot of evidence. While I agree Nevada etc could be very interesting if we had more, particularly given what it did to momentum, I think we have a strong case with what we have at conventions and caucuses. The question is whether the will and support is there to do something with it.
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No. There are evidence but we dont have them. No one collected video tapes, no one identified witnesses, no one collected testimonies and so on and so on... and as time passes by those people who got those things will be harder to find and it will take more money and resources...

Yes. There is a question whether the will and support is there to do something with it.

From what I see there is not... and I dont understand why. There is so many people talking what next? This should be "next"...

Not optimistic regarding this at all.

People can say anything they want about R.G. but he did at least tried something.
 
ClydeCoulter said:
I'm still interested, just not quite sure how to approach it. It all seems so rigged, from start to finish. Why have things been allowed to go on this far for so long? "It's a private clube and we ain't in it", is that it and all it is?
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Are you talking about the RNC? They have been taken over lock stock and barrel by the same people that have taken over the DNC. They also have taken over virtually all of the media, all of Congress, and control presidents like they are their personal puppets. Public schools are also under their control, it is how they ensure that they keep their power from generation to generation. And don't think that the courts will give you justice, they also control most judges, and the ones they don't control, they are not afraid of because appeals will just go to ones they do control.

Like Ron Paul says, education is our most potent weapon right now to take back control of our nation, without enough people that know the truth there is little chance anything will ever change.
 
Barrex said:
No. There are evidence but we dont have them. No one collected video tapes, no one identified witnesses, no one collected testimonies and so on and so on... and as time passes by those people who got those things will be harder to find and it will take more money and resources...

Yes. There is a question whether the will and support is there to do something with it.

From what I see there is not... and I dont understand why. There is so many people talking what next? This should be "next"...

Not optimistic regarding this at all.

People can say anything they want about R.G. but he did at least tried something.
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we have been collecting video and names of those who could give testimony, we have a bunch we could get to in Oregon and Louisiana, and Oklahoma and Missouri. I am not concerned we won't be able to get enough evidence, though I agree preserving it is important and wish the evidence thread were growing. But I think there needs to be a project to get people involved, so it is circular.
 
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As this bus was driving around one would have to think that it came to a stop sign or stop light at some point in the area close to the convention center. Seems like once stopped, people could've forced the driver to open up the door to exit. just a thought
 
FSP-Rebel said:
As this bus was driving around one would have to think that it came to a stop sign or stop light at some point in the area close to the convention center. Seems like once stopped, people could've forced the driver to open up the door to exit. just a thought
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Yeah, I was wondering about the emergency exits on the bus. Maybe it was a van? But, even those usually have a back door that can be opened. If anything, why not place a 911 call and complain for kidnapping? At least the police would perhaps show up and file a report? Which, would hopefully get the vehicle stopped?

Is there any video of the incident yet?
 
coffeewithgames said:
Yeah, I was wondering about the emergency exits on the bus. Maybe it was a van? But, even those usually have a back door that can be opened. If anything, why not place a 911 call and complain for kidnapping? At least the police would perhaps show up and file a report? Which, would hopefully get the vehicle stopped?

Is there any video of the incident yet?
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People on the bus said the guards wouldn't let them leave, by tweets at the time it was happening. I don't have details but we have forum members who were on the buses.
 
sailingaway said:
People on the bus said the guards wouldn't let them leave, by tweets at the time it was happening. I don't have details but we have forum members who were on the buses.
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Kidnapping: The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.

The law of kidnapping is difficult to define with precision because it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Most state and federal kidnapping statutes define the term kidnapping vaguely, and courts fill in the details.

Generally, kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective. Under the Model Penal Code (a set of exemplary criminal rules fashioned by the American Law Institute), kidnapping occurs when any person is unlawfully and non-consensually asported and held for certain purposes. These purposes include gaining a ransom or reward; facilitating the commission of a felony or a flight after the commission of a felony; terrorizing or inflicting bodily injury on the victim or a third person; and interfering with a governmental or political function (Model Penal Code § 212.1).
 
If I was on that bus, and kept up with this thread, Gilbert would be the last person I would go to. After seeing a couple of his videos, it is almost like he is going off on "text book conspiracy theory's", the ones that the MSM bring up to discredit the movement. Almost like he is trying to make himself fit in with the Ron Paul crowd, or he really does not know what is truly going on. I don't trust Gilbert, and I am someone who is into the information from Icke.
 
Considering the Reality Check on the front page, why aren't we going after both parties?

Does anyone know if the Dems have been pulling the same kind of things the RNC has this election cycle, other than the teleprompter stunt?

-t
 
tangent4ronpaul said:
Considering the Reality Check on the front page, why aren't we going after both parties?

Does anyone know if the Dems have been pulling the same kind of things the RNC has this election cycle, other than the teleprompter stunt?

-t
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that was kind of my thought. And go after ballot access and other barriers to competition by showing both major parties are corrupt and don't follow their own rules when the chips are down, and that the barriers combine to make it necessary as a practical matter to be in one of these corrupt parties to be elected.

But it would be a huge project.
 
PointsOfOrder said:
If I was on that bus, and kept up with this thread, Gilbert would be the last person I would go to. After seeing a couple of his videos, it is almost like he is going off on "text book conspiracy theory's", the ones that the MSM bring up to discredit the movement. Almost like he is trying to make himself fit in with the Ron Paul crowd, or he really does not know what is truly going on. I don't trust Gilbert, and I am someone who is into the information from Icke.
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This is precisely what he is doing. Unfortunately, as long as people buy into what he's producing, he will continue to do so.
 
OK what is alternative? I am willing to help.

Who will start moneybomb for lawsuit expenses?
Who will collect evidence?
Who will do something?
Who will do anything?

Apparently no one...

When all is said and done more is said than done.
 
Barrex said:
OK what is alternative? I am willing to help.

Who will start moneybomb for lawsuit expenses?
Who will collect evidence?
Who will do something?
Who will do anything?

Apparently no one...

When all is said and done more is said than done.
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I don't think we start with the money bomb, you have to have a level of interest first. That is what I am TRYING to measure and see if we can stir up. It seems like you are trying to say it is futile and damp it down.
 
That's very damaging, I wouldn't pass it on except in here. Of course, no way could we possibly use him. Not sure if it's on Twitter etc. but it was in Libery Crier this AM.
 
It's not all that damaging, imho. Attorneys lose cases. But the way he approached the last one decided not to do what the judge told him to do but go a different route in hopes of getting something by RNC which wouldn't have been as effective, even if we got it, as seating our delegates would have been, in my personal opinion, was a shame, I thought. however, he didn't feel we had time to fight that other case. He was working for free, so without actual evidence of culpability, I'm not going to trash him, but my thought was to hire a different attorney more versed in Federal court procedure, now that there is no deadline, and do it right, assuming we got the support for it.
 
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