MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

lawdida said:
I want it exposed.

Make videos. Spread them. Not only will you get exposure, but you'll get good exposure because you can control the narrative. Right now Gilbert is giving the movement bad exposure.
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we have made videos and circulated them and media isn't picking them up. We hope these will force them more into the limelight.
 
lawdida said:
The downside is bad PR and a record that can be used against liberty delegates in Tampa.
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how can the record be used against Ron Paul delegates in Tampa?

The pr is irrelevant imho we always have bad pr. We have whatever pr msm wakes up and decides for us to have.
 
seems peculiar for anyone to NOT want the fraud/strong arm exposed...
Seems peculiar that anyone would not want to SUPPORT our delegates right now going to Tampa, or support Ron Paul's requests

The fraud should of been the main focus, instead it was a minor issue in the filing..
the unbinding issue should of been dropped..
Fraud being the main focus of the case, would of detailed filing correctly , with each plaintiff having to provide, when, where, who, ect ect.. not just a statement of "broken bones", threats of violence...
 
I support all the delegates, including those who are plaintiffs in the lawsuits. Who do you think signed the affidavits for the suit?

That the case isn't run as I would best want it is no reason not to have it at all as far as I can see. And RON never 'requested' this suit end, he said if he were ASKED he'd recommend against it, but that 'if they think they have a claim and think it will do any good then they should do it' and Carol said they were glad SOMEONE was going after the fraud, because they didn't have the facts from their perspective.
 
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Apparently you haven't been to your local GOP meeting, where there are non Paul supporters, and who believe in status quo and who's hearts and minds have not been changed.. Do you think there is any resentment on their part towards Paul supporters.. they are not asking if they were part of the lawsuit, it is assumed that ALL Paul supporters are in favor of this.
 
libertylastchance said:
Apparently you haven't been to your local GOP meeting, where there are non Paul supporters, and who believe in status quo and who's hearts and minds have not been changed.. Do you think there is any resentment on their part towards Paul supporters.. they are not asking if they were part of the lawsuit, it is assumed that ALL Paul supporters are in favor of this.
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So you say. And if they resent us already they will continue to resent us in Tampa, imho. Those who don't won't. And a ton of people think the party should follow its rules or they are disenfranchised as well.

The point as I see it is apparently the RNC has said there will not be five states for Ron. Obviously he has won more than five states. Hence they intend to 'make it so'. I don't see the suit making that more likely given their determination already, I do see the possibility the suit or media surrounding the suit might make changing the rules and cheating on determinations too risky for them.
 
lawdida said:
You want to expose fraud. However, if you do get the media to pick up this case they will spin it to somehow blame the Paul supporters for what happened.

Exposing fraud and PR are the same thing. The battle is to show how the bad guys are doing bad and the good guys are being abused.

You might think this case will get that for you, but it wont. Remember, I didn't say people shouldn't be filing cases. They should when appropriate. But they shouldn't bundle it up into one case with a nutty lawyer in the 9th circuit. They should bring them locally if they can win, and then promote the win on the lower lever. When it's done at the lower level it's easier to control the narrative and you don't have all your eggs in one basket. Plus, it's consistant with the movement's emphasis on a small federal government.


The record can be used against them as evidence they should be removed. The committee on contests will have no sympathy for delegates who were trying to get a federal judge to unbind all delegates and storm the convention with armed federal marshals. I will have to ask you to trust me on that one.
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but the lower level can't address state law frustrating the fairness of federal elections. It isn't improper to bring it where he did, it just is damned confusing. But your point seems to me to go to filing a better one and I don't see it anywhere. This seems to be what we have.
 
Wiki setup

I have setup a wiki in order to compile information on each state. I have set it up with the information from http://jaretglenn.wordpress.com/201...can-party-stole-the-nomination-from-ron-paul/ .

I just set this up today, and there is a lot to do. Anyone who has information, please post it here, and PM me your post # so that I don't miss it. If you could also start and title your post with ***WIKI*** that would help me as well. If you have substantial information, I can make you an editor and you can do it yourself. However, right now I can only accept 3 more editors. If there is enough demand the number of editors can be upgraded for a fee.
 
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Interesting that those who have READ all the court documents, know what they are talking about, while others who get their "facts" from L4RP or others promoting the case are mis-informed..
Hanging your hat on "Gilbert has been preparing for this and 90% of amended case is ready to file", has missed the importance of "inform yourself", all case doc's are available to everyone..
His first amended complaint was denied, and he had to receive instruction from the court on how to file Properly..
Although his 2nd amended complaint was accepted, he failed to submit "evidence" in a timely fashion and by law it was not admissable..
 
arsenius said:
I have setup a wiki in order to compile information on each state. I have set it up with the information from http://jaretglenn.wordpress.com/201...can-party-stole-the-nomination-from-ron-paul/ .

I just set this up today, and there is a lot to do. Anyone who has information, please post it here, and PM me your post # so that I don't miss it. If you could also start your post with ***WIKI*** that would help me. If you have substantial information, I can make you an editor and you can do it yourself. However, right now I can only accept 3 more editors. If there is enough demand the wiki can be upgraded for a fee.
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thank you so much but I would recommend we start from scratch. Please go to the thread stickied to the top of the forum where we are trying to get only first hand accounts and compiling of accounts where we can have people vett the facts. I haven't seen an article this cycle which didn't have false stuff, and we need PROVABLE stuff. This guy did this and I saw it (or someone did and we can dig up the forum members who did to make sure it is accurate)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-vetting-of-VERIFIABLE-facts-for-LFRP-lawsuit
 
libertylastchance said:
That the RNC admitted in court that they break their own rules.
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the transcript isn't available yet it was just Monday. An observer reported it as the 'big bombshell' in arguments and the atty kept trying to dodge the judge's question on that point. He didn't say they 'break' the rules, but they can change them so they aren't the rules any more any time they want, at any stage, unilaterally. I forget the precise words but it wasn't a transcript anyhow, it was an eye witness.
 
libertylastchance said:
Interesting that those who have READ all the court documents, know what they are talking about, while others who get their "facts" from L4RP or others promoting the case are mis-informed..
Hanging your hat on "Gilbert has been preparing for this and 90% of amended case is ready to file", has missed the importance of "inform yourself", all case doc's are available to everyone..
His first amended complaint was denied, and he had to receive instruction from the court on how to file Properly..
Although his 2nd amended complaint was accepted, he failed to submit "evidence" in a timely fashion and by law it was not admissable..
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yeah, so let's spend this time getting the facts together for him, not saying what he did before was bad.
 
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