MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

Then what is your excellent idea moving forward Lawdida? Atleast Gilbert is TRYING to do something. You seem to just be sitting here pissing about how horrible an idea this is.

Also, I think this is going to work. I don't think RP will get elected from it, but they have a very serious case, that will destroy the GOP and will actually layout some groundwork for a semi-fair election in 2016. The GOP has gone too long unchecked, it is time somebody sit them down and break them.
 
Why not promote and donate to the delegates that are going to Tampa, who are struggling with the cost. Ron Paul has put out the request for donations, and the campaign is helping with costs to ensure that ALL the delegates are in attendance.. why not promote that we stand with Ron Paul and stop dividing.. Why not support the lawsuits that are in motion by the campaign lawyers.. who are working hard and within the system to get our delegates seated..
If you have hung all your hope on this lawsuit, it is time to dust yourself off and jump back in, this is NOT the last hope.. Let Richard Gilbert and his crew continue on, but the rest of us need to focus and it is not on this case.
 
Then what is your excellent idea moving forward Lawdida? Atleast Gilbert is TRYING to do something. You seem to just be sitting here pissing about how horrible an idea this is.

Also, I think this is going to work. I don't think RP will get elected from it, but they have a very serious case, that will destroy the GOP and will actually layout some groundwork for a semi-fair election in 2016. The GOP has gone too long unchecked, it is time somebody sit them down and break them.
It isn't just the GOP, my mother said there were a bunch of tricks pulled on the Dem side in 2008 as well.

I agree we need fair elections.
 
Ron Paul's lawyers are working with OR, MA, LA & ME.. briefs from the delegates were due 8/6..
The lawyers are working within the system, and following procedure..
The Texas delegates and other state delegates are meeting and discussing what steps they can take , as this could reach the floor of the convention where there will be a final determination..
 
Why not promote and donate to the delegates that are going to Tampa, who are struggling with the cost. Ron Paul has put out the request for donations, and the campaign is helping with costs to ensure that ALL the delegates are in attendance.. why not promote that we stand with Ron Paul and stop dividing.. Why not support the lawsuits that are in motion by the campaign lawyers.. who are working hard and within the system to get our delegates seated..
If you have hung all your hope on this lawsuit, it is time to dust yourself off and jump back in, this is NOT the last hope.. Let Richard Gilbert and his crew continue on, but the rest of us need to focus and it is not on this case.

that doesn't address our concerns with exposing fraud and bone breaking against our delegates. To be honest it seems really peculiar for anyone to NOT want this fraud/strong arming exposed.
 
Ron Paul's lawyers are working with OR, MA, LA & ME.. briefs from the delegates were due 8/6..
The lawyers are working within the system, and following procedure..
The Texas delegates and other state delegates are meeting and discussing what steps they can take , as this could reach the floor of the convention where there will be a final determination..

Within the party system while the party lawyers said in court they don't have to follow their own rules and can disenfranchise party members working within the system any time they want.

Even assuming this fails, what is the down side?
 
that doesn't address our concerns with exposing fraud and bone breaking against our delegates. To be honest it seems really peculiar for anyone to NOT want this fraud/strong arming exposed.

I tend to think that having the dude in St.Charles Mo. arrested can be used to prove intimidation especially since a local judge threw the case out..

Court records are always admissible evidence.
 
Guys, I love your passion and dedication to the cause, but some of this talk is getting boarderline delusional.

A good attorney would not have had this case dismissed for making unintelligible claims. The judge (or more likely his clerk) provided Gilbert with the basics of how to file a complaint.

Did Gilbert anticipate this? Of course, and so did anyone with any legal training (and many others). I have read the hundreds of pages that have been filed with the court and I can tell you this case has been poorly serviced by Gilbert.

Typical responses I receive ask what I can do to help. I'm trying to help right now. This case is not going to win. I, or anyone else, can't help it win. The only thing I can do to help is to try to persuade everyone to stop promoting it.

why would it help to not promote it? How does it HURT?
 
I tend to think that having the dude in St.Charles Mo. arrested can be used to prove intimidation especially since a local judge threw the case out..

Court records are always admissible evidence.

how about the bones broken in Louisiana? And the duly elected chair removed by ambulance after private security, at the direction of the self appointed temporary chair, directed them to remove him from the convention hall? ON VIDEO?

There are tons of facts there. I just hope they are in the complaint.
 
In today's day and age 14,000 views is nothing. Videos with many, many times that get no notice by the media. I'm sure the media would think this is the act of a group of sore losers rather than anything significant, anyways.

we don't like our guys having their bones broken and being bodily removed from conventions they were elected to attend, when they win.

If that is being a 'sore loser', I guess that is what we are.
 
I tend to think that having the dude in St.Charles Mo. arrested can be used to prove intimidation especially since a local judge threw the case out..

Court records are always admissible evidence.

Yes, but is their proof that the GOP had anything to do with the actual arrest in the parkinglot? But, that case might help the judge in the sense that a judgement has already been handed down elsewhere.
 
Can we get the hivemind to look into this case? The judge is clearly stating that it relates to the case:
"But this is not to say that more complete briefing by Plaintiffs could not elucidate a governmental interest. Indeed, in Lopez Torres, the Supreme Court observed that “the State can require” and courts have previously “permitted States to [undermine] ‘party bosses’ by requiring party-candidate selection through processes more favorable to insurgents.” See Lopez Torres, 552 U.S. 196, 205 (2008)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Board_of_Elections_v._Lopez_Torres

http://demo.tizra.com/08-205-Citizens-United-v-Federal-Election-Commission-Opinion/45

http://demo.tizra.com/08-205-Citizens-United-v-Federal-Election-Commission-Opinion/166
 
I don't think 'hivemind' is the term you want.

The state, and the Federal government has an interest in fair elections of federal candidates and representation of the people. and with ballot access laws in many states, the two main parties have a practical monopoly on actual representation in the highest offices, and so must be accountable.
 
Are you saying that all State Party rules would not be in place, because of what happened in MA? The burden of proof is on the plaintiffs to prove that this rampant throughout all 50 states...
 
What kind of background are you looking for? I'm not going to give my life story here or answer question after question about myself. I've had legal training and I've spent much of my time this year helping liberty-minded delegates get to Tampa through organizing, phone banking, creating media products, talking with reporters, working with attorneys, reviewing legal documents, reviewing rules, assisting with challenges, assisting with legal strategy, etc.

But why is that important? It shouldn't be. The facts speak for themselves.

I've been trying to avoid the "take my word for it" approach and focus on the objective evidence (other than when describing my motives).

The materials filed with the court are objective and verifiable, along with yesterday's opinion and the fact that the case has been dismissed.

That statutes and case law are objective. Although predictions about how the law will be interpreted are not objective, some guesses are better than others (with the educated guesses having the highest likelihood of being correct).

The bottom line is, this case is the wrong play legally. It's not just Gilbert (although he's as big problem). The case itself isn't going to win, although it could cause problems for the liberty delegates in Tampa from the various states that are challenging or being challenged. This gets to a second point which is this case is the wrong play politically. The goal should not be to destroy the Republican party but to help it grow - for liberty. My signature should give you enough insight into my position on that.

It's not about making nice with the establishment and joining the good ol' boy's club. We have to gain the trust of people outside the movement if there is to be any hope of some practical success. I understand many of the plaintiffs have been wronged. I think anyone with a legitimate complaint should file it in the appropriate state court or file a challenge in the RNC. They probably wont get much out of the RNC but at least they're showing observers that they're trying to follow the appropriate course of action and not merely going "nuclear" on the party. Better to be a martyr than a madman.

I hope you can see I have a sincere commitment to the movement and that my opposition to Gilbert and his suit are both well intentioned and based on objective, verifiable facts.

The people who went to court are giving us their spin on what was said and how. I can't verify that right now. What can be verified is how Gilbert was mocked by the court in yesterday's opinion and that his case was dismissed.

but so what if it's a dud? Where is your need to stop it coming from?
 
Are you saying that all State Party rules would not be in place, because of what happened in MA? The burden of proof is on the plaintiffs to prove that this rampant throughout all 50 states...

Huh? No each fact circumstance will stand on its own. I don't care about the current remedy sought so much as the telling them they have to follow their own rules and no shenanigans in credentials committee with the case still pending and the court still overseeing it. I have other remedies I'd suggest after the convention.
 
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