Maine Liberty Republicans, including RNC Member Mark Willis, leave GOP

[CaptLouAlbano]

It is an elected seat in New Hampshire and very easy to win Trust me. Be a good Republican. Work hard for the party and you will be walked into the seat in NH, as many liberty activists have been

Repeat times 26 states and the RNC Chair will be a libertarian.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I'm not interested very much in national politics. Maybe Ron and Rand but other than that, blah! State politics, especially in NH is what matters to me.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I'm not interested very much in national politics. Maybe Ron and Rand but other than that, blah! State politics, especially in NH is what matters to me.

National has always been my main interest. I get involved in and donate time and money to state and local candidates, but my passion is on the federal side of things.

 

[Keith and stuff]

National has always been my main interest. I get involved in and donate time and money to state and local candidates, but my passion is on the federal side of things.

Not gonna win national politics if history is any indication. I recommend going for state politics

 

[torchbearer]

same thing is happening in louisiana.
got report today the guy, herford, that was elected chairman of the lagop convention(and then was beat down) is now running for congress on the libertarian ticket.
the people coming over to the LP or long time gopers who don't know better.
maybe they'll prove me wrong.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Lol, LAGOP leaders are running on the LP ticket now? That is insane! No brain at all? Seems like it!

 

[torchbearer]

Lol, LAGOP leaders are running on the LP ticket now? That is insane! No brain at all? Seems like it!

i tried to explain to them that they automatically lost the partisan and ignorant votes. thats at least 80%.
best case scenario, they get 20%. since most of the people who'd vote for them know that- they won't show up at the poll.. making reality around 5%.

 

[torchbearer]

Lol, LAGOP leaders are running on the LP ticket now? That is insane! No brain at all? Seems like it!

they saw what we did in the caucus as a unit- we could win, but the apathy is thick, and the activist are scarce.

 

[torchbearer]

and to add-
the LALP is now organized in every parish.
when i left in 2007, we barely had congressional organization.
apparently, since the last convention of violent abuse on our people- a large group of them moved over and started organizing.
makes since that i was called back to the party.

 

[torchbearer]

https://www.facebook.com/HenryHerfordCD5

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Not gonna win national politics if history is any indication. I recommend going for state politics

I have Sanford, three quality candidates as potential replacements for Graham, and Scott (which wasn't that bad a replacement for DeMint). I'm reasonably content.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Taking over seems to be counterproductive. I don't recommend it at all. What if people get mad at you? What if people lower the level of energy they put into GOP politics? I like being invited to be the leaders. That's what happened to liberty folks in New Hampshire. We were invited to join the state committee and to run for office. We did and many of us won. It was very easy and fun!

1) Each state is different and NH GOP is an anomaly
2) For instance the FLGOP actively kicked out (illegally I might add) Ron supporters who held positions
3) They're not going to invite Paul folk as leaders in positions of significant power (again NH is an anomaly)

How many GOP Governors would actively encourage, and join, for instance a Free-State movement trying to get libertarians into their state? Yeah, not many. You can't use your anecdote as a catcheism for the rest of the country. Also, where I am, you're better off being a Democrat if you're going to run for an office (Hawai'i...GL being elected as a GOP or Third Party here).

 

[fr33]

Edit: Fr33 - The author suggests exactly the wrong direction. The Establishment spent millions of dollars, broke rules and bones to keep us out of the positions. So after all that, we give them exactly what they wanted? Talk about a bummer.

I didn't write that blog; just linked to it. But I agree with it.

There's no point in me trying to work my way up the TX GOP. It will go nowhere.

In Texas we love our guns but it's illegal to open carry.

In Texas we love our property rights but we honestly have no property rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor

In Texas we hate Obamacare but please give us $100 million from the feds. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/rick-perry-obamacare-95727.html

I've been told from a high ranking GOPer in my county that Israel is more important than our constitution.


You think I'm going to waste my time fighting these idiots? They love everything Obama offers but they'd prefer a Republican was in charge of it.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

RLC of Maine Still Committed to Working Within the GOP


http://rlc.org/article/rlc-maine-still-committed-working-within-gop

 

[Keith and stuff]

13 Maine Republicans Are Done With The GOP, Decide To Leave Party
The Huffington Post | By Chris Gentilviso Posted: 08/19/2013 6:24 pm EDT | Updated: 08/19/2013 11:12 pm EDT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/maine-republicans-gop_n_3781973.html

According to the Maine Sun Journal, leading the exodus was RNC member Mark Willis of Washington County, former Senate candidate Scott D'Amboise of Lisbon, and former state party chair challenger Sam Canders. Willis said that to stop others from leaving, the party must start "governing like Republicans are supposed to be," the Sun Journal reported.

How do Republicans govern? Do they walk away from their positions? Do they leave their friends out to dry? Do they say, I'm leaving but now that I have less influence on you, this is what you need to do? I'm sorry but the average Republican is Mark Warden or Aaron Libby. However, if we continue to work with Republicans and try to influence them, they will become closer to that. If we walk away, what happens then?

 

[torchbearer]

13 Maine Republicans Are Done With The GOP, Decide To Leave Party
The Huffington Post | By Chris Gentilviso Posted: 08/19/2013 6:24 pm EDT | Updated: 08/19/2013 11:12 pm EDT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/maine-republicans-gop_n_3781973.html


How do Republicans govern? Do they walk away from their positions? Do they leave their friends out to dry? Do they say, I'm leaving but now that I have less influence on you, this is what you need to do? I'm sorry but the average Republican is Mark Warden or Aaron Libby. However, if we continue to work with Republicans and try to influence them, they will become closer to that. If we walk away, what happens then?

what is wrong with publicly rejecting the two party system by action?

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

what is wrong with publicly rejecting the two party system by action?

Because at the end of the day it still exists, with or without them. And now, without them, they have lost whatever influence they may have had.

 

[torchbearer]

Because at the end of the day it still exists, with or without them. And now, without them, they have lost whatever influence they may have had.

its a numbers game.
and at the time of qualifying for a race- if things haven't changed- go with the process as is..
but in the end, the monopoly can end if the party apparatus of the GOP leaves.
it will condemn the GOP to tons of future losses... and the people will either have to learn that GOP is crap or just wait until everything collapses under democrat control.
but there will be no more neocon gop.

and to add- from the 'nice' things you and your gop associates have said about libertarians and the LP.
i'm glad people are leaving.
You deserve the government you have.

 

[Keith and stuff]

what is wrong with publicly rejecting the two party system by action?

Nothing. Especially if you live in a state like Maine. However, by quitting when they did, it makes them look like they are trying to sabotage the MEGOP. That hurts their friends still in the MEGOP. It also helps are future liberty lovers that run for anything in the MEGOP for a few years, because people will be bitter. And it is very odd, considering some of them just won office, and even more, they were actually making impressive inroads. From the outside looking it, it looks like they wanted instant gratification. When they couldn't get it, they took their ball and went him.

Many of us have been working within the GOP for years and developed strong relationships. They folks, from the outside, appear either amateurism or short sighted.

I could be COMPLETELY WRONG and I'm not trying to hate on these people as individuals. They are likely good people but this is exactly the opposite of what liberty folks should be trying to do if they are trying to influence others in the GOP. I've found the GOP where I live extremely welcoming. It's a night and day difference, I guess.

 

[torchbearer]

Nothing. Especially if you live in a state like Maine. However, by quitting when they did, it makes them look like they are trying to sabotage the MEGOP. That hurts their friends still in the MEGOP. It also helps are future liberty lovers that run for anything in the MEGOP for a few years, because people will be bitter. And it is very odd, considering some of them just won office, and even more, they were actually making impressive inroads. From the outside looking it, it looks like they wanted instant gratification. When they couldn't get it, they took their ball and went him.

Many of us have been working within the GOP for years and developed strong relationships. They folks, from the outside, appear either amateurism or short sighted.

I could be COMPLETELY WRONG and I'm not trying to hate on these people as individuals. They are likely good people but this is exactly the opposite of what liberty folks should be trying to do if they are trying to influence others in the GOP. I've found the GOP where I live extremely welcoming. It's a night and day difference, I guess.

I don't think they will be successful, but i hope they prove me wrong. we need it.