LST: Neo-Nazi leader gives Ron Paul $500

[kylejack]

I'm against donation limits too, but a public servant is open to the public... you as a private citizen has privacy, a public official does not, you donate to a public servant, it is to the countries benefit that everyone knows where the servant got his money from...

The tenth amendment prohibits the federal government from collecting and distributing this information.

 

[TexMac]

Mailed to: [email protected]

Dear Lone Star Times,

I am writing in respose to your article on Thursday, October 25, 2007: "LST: Neo-Nazi leader gives Ron Paul $500".

http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/25/rpb1/

I'm a Ron Paul supporter, along with many others, because I believe he'll defend my Constitutional rights. And the rights of those I disagree with. The rights of all Americans. He defend our right to choose our own beliefs. The right to peacefully express those beliefs. The right to disagree with popular opinion. People don't need to agree with Paul's views to support him. Whether Paul agrees with us or not, I have no doubt he'll defend our Freedom of Concience, Speech, Press, Assembly, and Security from Unreasonable Search and Seizures equally for all Americans.

If Paul is given money to spend on his Presidential campaign, for him to spend it in any other way besides returning it, would be theft and a violation of the contributor's rights. No matter how much I might disagree with Don Black's views, I see nothing wrong with Paul taking his money equally with mine, and if elected defending Mr. Black's rights equally with mine.

Thank you for the article, but I disagree with your opinions.

A Ron Paul for President in 2008 supporter.

LST is just a blog. Why are you treating them as if they were a newspaper?

We need to start ignoring the neocon wingnuts of the blogosphere.

Want to know how much credibility the wingnuttosphere has? Read this and this.

Quit dignifying their idiocy with attention.

 

[RickSp]

It should be obvious, he must have repented and contributed as an act of penance.

Black agrees with certain of Dr. Paul's key positions. Black opposes the war in Iraq which he sees as supporting Israel. Black hates Jews so this shouldn't be surprising. The right position, but arguably the wrong reason. Black wants the government to leave him alone, which is not unreasonable though as white supremacist groups do often have a history of violent crime Black's viewpoint may have more in common with that of Tony Soprano than of mainstream libertarians. (Black's group claims to be non-violent and to hate no one, just as Tony Soprano says there is no mafia.) Lastly, Black loves Pauls' nativist immigration policies, which I think should give Paul supporters a moment's pause.

Over all Black is such a marginal character that I think he can be safely ignored.

 

[GR4RonPaul]

Head in the sand

Citation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxSm2XdDtzg

The spam is real. I have friends who have gotten this spam. Plenty of spam "knows the recipient's name."

Could you forward it with headers and all? You can send it to [email protected] I would be curious to look at the header.

You can call me ridiculous all you want, but I have run in a few of these circles in the past and I know what they are capable of. They have started an all out war.

You think this is just some silly nonsense on an insignificant blog? OK, then, maybe you take it seriously AFTER it gets on the mainstream news. THEN maybe you will offer to help figure it out. These people are journalists, advertisers, and media folks. They have connections and they are ready to use them.

But, go ahead and dismiss it... nevermind that I said anything.

Later

 

[kylejack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxSm2XdDtzg

You're getting your YAF's confused. That's Young America Foundation, not Young Americans for Freedom.

Could you forward it with headers and all? You can send it to [email protected] I would be curious to look at the header.

I'll see what I can find, but previous reports have it coming from zombie machines.

You can call me ridiculous all you want, but I have run in a few of these circles in the past and I know what they are capable of. They have started an all out war.

Using unconstitutional law to go after people is unethical, and thusly, ridiculous to a Constitutionalist.

 

[GR4RonPaul]

Snark

You're getting your YAF's confused. That's Young America Foundation, not Young Americans for Freedom.

I heard you the first time. The link you are quoting had nothing to do with that, anyway.

Were you asking for a link to video of the almost-riot? I can get you that.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/web..._Invited_to_MSU_by_Conservative_Students&only

The video I linked to was part of the "fake" event and Adam Kokesh.

I'll see what I can find, but previous reports have it coming from zombie machines.

It has to lead back to somewhere. You can only spoof so far, unless you use a remailer. I am not the greatest at this, but if your post is any indication, I might have to do it myself.

Using unconstitutional law to go after people is unethical, and thusly, ridiculous to a Constitutionalist.

Fair enough. It was snark comment anyway. I said "their" patriot act "against" them.

 

[Ninja Homer]

I'm not sure on this one with campaign limits it stops the many rich from literally drowning the other candidates with money. Heck Bill Gates could donate an easy billion and that is only one. This way if people aren't apathetic we can raise a lot of money. 10million x $100=1billion.

You make a good point. What I would rather see than the individual cap is a total combined cap for each candidate... maybe around $20 million? Then it puts all the candidates on more even ground. An argument against that idea is that then MSM can give all the time they want to whichever candidates they want, but they're doing that anyway, and as we're finding out this Presidential election, the Internet is a great equalizer.

Minnesota put a cap on elections, which is one of the main reasons Jesse Ventura got elected governor as a third party, and Tim Penny made a good run at governor in the Independence Party.

 

[GR4RonPaul]

I thought I saw this before...

You're getting your YAF's confused. That's Young America Foundation, not Young Americans for Freedom.

And they are not as far apart as you think they are:

http://www.yaf.org/faq/index.cfm#YAF

 

[kylejack]

I heard you the first time. The link you are quoting had nothing to do with that, anyway.

You said that Hotair had a "reporter" catch up to Kokesh at the Fascism Awareness event (a fake event). Where is that video? That's what I was asking for. The link you provided is not that. The link you provided appears to be in reference to Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, an actual event that took place 10/22-10/26 on various campuses nation-wide.

The video I linked to was part of the "fake" event and Adam Kokesh.

American Fascism Awareness Day (a fake event): http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016117.html
Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week (a real event): http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

It has to lead back to somewhere. You can only spoof so far, unless you use a remailer. I am not the greatest at this, but if your post is any indication, I might have to do it myself.

Its in the other spam thread. Coming from an Australian Bigpond IP, relayed through a New Jersey Comcast IP.

 

[dc74rp]

I got a response from the Lone Star Times to my email:

I appreciate your thoughtful response (it is a lot more thoughtful than many I've received)

I don't think Ron Paul is a bad man; in fact, I'm hoping he'll reject this Nazi's contribution because it will help Americans who haven't heard his message focus more on his platform, not the unsolicited bigotry of a few of his supporters.

Thx

It was nice to recieve a response, and it was a polite one too. I don't know how sincere it was, but in my mind I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt since he could just have easily ignored me or sent a offensive reply.

In fairness, while the original article definatly seemed anti-Paul to me, he did list some arguments of pro-Paul supporters in it. I would hope my opinions on the matter might influence the tone of future articles.

 

[dc74rp]

I just read the campaigns response to this article:

http://lonestartimes.com/

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Paul campaign responds to LST re: Nazi gold

by David Benzion | 10/30/2007 12:23 pm | Alert moderator


Just moments ago, I spoke by phone with Ron Paul press spokesman Jesse Benton regarding a $500 contribution made to the campaign by notorious neo-Nazi Don Black (first exposed here on LST).

The conversation was friendly and professional, and I thank Mr. Benton for getting back in touch with me and being willing to go on the record.

What follows is a paraphrased summary of the questions asked and Benton’s responses (questions were not asked verbatim, but basic thrust was communicated; answers were read back to Benton to assure accuracy and allow him an opportunity to clarify or expand).

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Can Paul confirm that the donation widgets appearing on Stormfront are the result of the site owner’s actions, not the campaign’s?

Yes, absolutely. The donation widgets are freely available to the general public, and anyone can put them on their website without the knowledge of the campaign. We are not advertising on Stormfront.

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Will Paul take measures to block Stormfront as a referring URL to his own website, so that no future donations can possibly flow into his campaign from a site that serves as the on-line nexus of neo-Nazism?

Will Paul ask his own web-staff to trace past donations that were made by anyone arriving at his campaign’s webpage from Stormfront, so that these contributions can be rejected?

Will Paul explore if there are any legal actions available to try to remove his donation widget from Stormfront, and if so pursue them?

We hadn’t thought of these options, but I’ll bring up these ideas with the campaign director.

Blocking the IP address sounds like a simple and practical step that could be taken.

I doubt there is anything we can do legally.

Tracking donations that came from Stormfront’s site sounds more complicated. I’m concerned about setting a precedent for the campaign having to screen and vet everyone who makes a donation.

It is important to keep in mind is that we didn’t solicit this support, and we aren’t interested in spending all of our time and resources focused on this issue. We want to focus on Dr. Paul’s positive agenda for freedom.

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At the very least, will Paul personally state publicly, vigorously and unmistakably that he rejects the support of white supremacists, and that he will not knowingly tolerate their involvement with his campaign in any form or to any degree?

Until three days ago, neither Dr. Paul nor anyone else in the campaign had any idea who Don Black was or is. We’ve never met or communicated with him. We did not solicit his support.

It is certainly unfortunate that the campaign’s donation banner is on his site. We’re not rushing to spend a lot of time reading what’s over there, but what you’ve described is certainly repugnant, and completely anathema to everything Dr. Paul stands for.

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Bottom line– Will the Ron Paul campaign be rejecting the $500 contribution made by neo-Nazi Don Black?

At this time, I cannot say that we will be rejecting Mr. Black’s contribution, but I will bring the matter to the attention of our campaign director again, and expect some sort of decision to be made in coming days.

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There you go America–what say you?

 

[Ozwest]

If only Ron Paul would do a background check on all donators to his campaign, we wouldn't have these problems... Maybe some sort of identification process might help, perhaps an I.D. or something. My neighbours feel like I do, atleast all of them except the one on Elm street. I'm worried about him.