LP Chair on Ron Paul being on the LP ticket

[tangent4ronpaul]

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79496119/NealeEmail.pdf

it's pdf and not letting me cut and paste to text, so I will summarize the important stuff:

He said it would be "difficult" to get RP on the ticket. It could be done if eithor GJ or the judge stepped down, but that was uncharted territory.

The downside:

Maine, Mass, MN, NH, RI, Tn and WA do not allow stand-ins, and the period for qualifying is over. (7)

The deadline for changing filing is over in IA and OH (2)

The deadline for changing our filing in IL is Sept 7th(1)

In AL, if we change the Presidential candidate, we would need to start petitioning again, but would have less than a week to complete the petitioning. (1)

Texas has a "sore-looser" law and Ron Paul cannot be on the ballot as a Libertarian. (1)

So where would that put us as to electoral votes?
Could we do a write in campaign in those 10-12 states?

-t

 

[Cshelton21]

It speaks volumes of the LP to say they can't just throw Ron on the ticket, that they need "cause" and then the delegates must agree to the change.

If it were the GOP the chair would pretty much just slop the next warmongering neo-con on the list up a spot.

 

[MelissaCato]

I say do a write in campaign and give it all we got (like better than best) to win states ... when I say give it all we got - I mean give it all we got as a last ditch effort to get Ron Paul in the white house. The people still on board for Ron Paul 2012 have dwindled by the looks of things and gone to Gary Johnson ... but those of us who are still determined to get Ron Paul POTUS - we'll just have to work the internets, newpapers, twitter, bull horns, smoke signals, morse code like we never done before.

This is just my opinion, but I'm one of those die hards that never give up no matter how many times I "fail" .. I think it generates from all those failed recipes in the kitchen. LOL

I dunno - what other option do we have to get Ron Paul in that white house before he retires completely ?

 

[TrishW]

No one ever said it would be easy. It appears as though the ball is in Ron Paul's court. I read in the threads about the conference call that the Libertarians are wanting Ron Paul, and will do what it takes... if he agrees. IMO Ron Paul will work best in the VP spot. I am praying that this will come together.

 

[MelissaCato]

I posted on FaceBook about the PA GOP trying to boot Gary Off the PA ballot - someone else posted it's happening in Michigan too. So the GOP of each state are working to boot Gary completely off the ballot. This is a concern if Ron Paul decides to be Gary's VEEP .. PA already booted the Constitution Party off the ballot. Soooo ... http://paindependent.com/2012/08/republicans-trying-to-boot-gary-johnson-from-pennsylvania-ballot/

 

[rp08orbust]

I haven't done any math, but it sounds like a Paul-Johnon LP ticket would easily remain eligible for at least 271 electoral votes, meaning they'd qualify for debates if their national poll numbers were above 15%, which we have good reason to believe they would be.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

States/electoral votes we would loose:
Maine - 4
Massachusetts - 11
Minnesota - 10
New Hampshire - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Tennessee - 11
Washington - 12
Iowa - 6
Ohio - 18
Texas - 38
Total 118 votes lost.

States we could still keep with work:
Illinois - 20
Alabama - 9
Total 29 votes lost

Worst case total: 147 votes lost.

There are 538 total electors in the US, so just under 400 votes (391) are conceivably available and a feasibility of a mathematical win, which is what is required to get into debates. (besides the 15% support in polls).

The good news - it can happen and running a campaign in fewer states would cost less.

The bad news is fewer votes up for grabs and it knocks out some of our stronger states.

thoughts?

-t

 

[rp08orbust]

The bad news is fewer votes up for grabs and it knocks out some of our stronger states.

Is Maine, or example, really knocked out though? The ballot would have to say Johnson-Gray, but this ticket swap would be such huge event that it's hard to imagine many Mainers not knowing about it. I could imagine Paul-Johnson winning Maine outright, even under these circumstances.

 

[wgadget]

I did a web search which states want Gary Johnson off the ballot, and they're trying in OH, PA, and IA, and have succeeded in OK. I think there are others.

Mitt the Cheat really wants this thing. LOL

Screwing with Mitt might be worth the effort alone, but that's lil' vindictive me talking...

 

[TrishW]

I say do a write in campaign and give it all we got (like better than best) to win states ... when I say give it all we got - I mean give it all we got as a last ditch effort to get Ron Paul in the white house. The people still on board for Ron Paul 2012 have dwindled by the looks of things and gone to Gary Johnson ... but those of us who are still determined to get Ron Paul POTUS - we'll just have to work the internets, newpapers, twitter, bull horns, smoke signals, morse code like we never done before.

This is just my opinion, but I'm one of those die hards that never give up no matter how many times I "fail" .. I think it generates from all those failed recipes in the kitchen. LOL

I dunno - what other option do we have to get Ron Paul in that white house before he retires completely ?

impossible Some states do not allow write in votes... Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Dakota


Many states that do allow a write-in vote require that the candidate themselves register as a write-in candidate and be certified for their write-in votes to be counted. To be registered and certified as a third party candidate you must have the required signatures turned in by the dates below or the votes will not be counted and reported. As you can see the time is already past.

State, Signatures, Due date
CT. #7,500 June 4
NC. 85,379 June 14
VT. #1,000 June 14
IL. #25,000 June 25
NM. 18,053 June 27
TX. 80,778 June 29
IN. #34,195 June 30
NV. 7,013 July 6
DE. [est]6,500 July 15
OK. 43,890, July 15
FL. 112,174 July 15
SC. 10,000 July 15
MI. 30,000 July 19
MO. 10,000 July 30
NJ. #800 July 30
MA. #10,000 July 31
AR. #1,000 Aug 1
CA. 172,859 Aug 1
PA. 20,601 Aug 1
WV. #7,135 Aug 1
GA. #51,845 Aug 6
KS. 5,000 Aug 6
MD. [est]35,000 Aug 6
SD. 3,171 Aug 7
WI. #2,000 Aug 7
AK. #3,271 Aug 8
DC. [est]#3,900 Aug 8
ME. #4,000 Aug 8
NH. #3,000 Aug 8
OH. 5,000 Aug 8
CO. #pay $500 Aug 10
MT. #5,000 Aug 15
UT. #1,000 Aug 15
TN. 275 Aug 16
IA. #1,500 Aug 17
MN. #2,000 Aug 21
NY. #15,000 Aug 21
ID. 1,000 Aug 24
VA. #10,000 Aug 24
OR. 18,279 Aug 28
WA. #1,000 Aug 28
WY. 3,740 Aug 28
NE. 2,500 Sept 1
LA. #pay $500 Sept 4
AL. 5,000 Sept 6
AL. 5,000 Sept 6
AZ. [est]#27,000 Sept 7
HI. #4,536 Sept 7
KY. #5,000 Sept 7
MS. 1,000 Sept.7
ND. #4,000 Sept 7
RI. #1,000 Sept 7

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

It speaks volumes of the LP to say they can't just throw Ron on the ticket, that they need "cause" and then the delegates must agree to the change.

If it were the GOP the chair would pretty much just slop the next warmongering neo-con on the list up a spot.

They talk about that, but the important part is that it could happen if GJ or his VEEP could step down and then it would be a lot easier.

-t

 

[MelissaCato]

I dunno then Trish - what are we doing to get Ron Paul in the white house ? I don't like not knowing the game plan. lol

 

[MelissaCato]

Wait - Trish do we know for sure those siggy's were not collected for those states ? Maybe (by chance) one of us was already thinking ahead.

 

[wgadget]

So I searched LIBERTARIAN FORUMS and didn't find a whole lot of buzz about the Ron Paul thing...You'd think they'd be on fire for the idea. It would really ramp up their presence in elections of the future. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

To win in a 3 way race, we'd need 180 of the 391 electoral votes available to us. That's about half. It's a steep hill, but possible - especially if we can get Paul into the debates.

-t

 

[Razmear]

SC also has a sore looser law, which would drop you below 270. Best scenario, in my mind, is the present Libertarian ticket with Ron being given the Secretary of State job once they get in.

 

[wgadget]

I posted on FaceBook about the PA GOP trying to boot Gary Off the PA ballot - someone else posted it's happening in Michigan too. So the GOP of each state are working to boot Gary completely off the ballot. This is a concern if Ron Paul decides to be Gary's VEEP .. PA already booted the Constitution Party off the ballot. Soooo ... http://paindependent.com/2012/08/republicans-trying-to-boot-gary-johnson-from-pennsylvania-ballot/

If the GOP succeeds in kicking the L party off the ballot, whether RP is on the team or not, it's gonna enflame We the People. ESPECIALLY if the news gets out there. I've been Tweeting this morning a little bit about what's going on from the news sources I've found re MI, OH, OK, PA and IA.

 

[Bruehound]

The downside of this approach is that it leaves all those who RP encouraged to rise up through the ranks of their state and local GOP organizations hanging out to dry. A better approach would be to simply have Gary Johnson very publicly suggest he would appoint RP to serve as Treasury Secretary in his administration.

 

[PointsOfOrder]

Ron Paul cannot go 3rd party, he has to work with a 3rd party

 

[LBennett76]

My state allows write-ins only if they've registered. Now the Rs are trying to get Johnson off my ballot. If that happens I have no one to vote for. I will throw a major shit fit about it.