Looks Like the Alaska GOP Really Did Cheat Ron Paul Out of a Win in Alaska!!

If there is documented and documentable information out there then we should use it. You don't think there's some leftwing journlist out there just looking for a way to make the GOP look bad. If its there we'll find someone to go after it. If not we need to refocus on doing the best we can in the coming polls.

HOLLYWOOD said:
Maine GOP takes the Blue GOP trophy for fraud... 84% vote counted declares winner, states it will not include any votes in the future, loses votes to a email SPAM folder? But the "SPAM FOLDER" didn't catch all the Romney voting precincts, just winning RP precincts. It was revealed (unknowingly) by Maine GOP offical to Ron Paul supporters that the Maine GOP were going to sabotage the Caucus against Ron Paul.

That's the guy that needs to be in court.
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Suzu said:
No, it's called "election fraud" which is a different thing altogether from "voter fraud".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud

Electoral fraud is illegal interference with the process of an election. Acts of fraud affect vote counts to bring about an election result, whether by increasing the vote share of the favored candidate, depressing the vote share of the rival candidates, or both. Also called voter fraud, the mechanisms involved include illegal voter registration, intimidation at polls and improper vote counting. What electoral fraud is under law varies from country to country.
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So Voter Fraud is formally called Electoral Fraud. Actually Election Fraud has 39 subcatagories including Electoral Fraud. :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics

Semantics (from Greek sēmantiká, neuter plural of sēmantikós)[1][2] is the study of meaning. It focuses on the relation between signifiers, such as words, phrases, signs and symbols, and what they stand for, their denotata.
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I will make the effort, but no guarentees. :o

EDIT: Since we are pretty much seeing everything this cycle, should we just use Election Fraud which covers all the bases?
 
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Stupid shit like this needs to stop. Not the so called fraud..but these accusations of fraud with ZERO evidence.

SHOW me that the people turned away wer all Ron Paul voters. Otherwise..SHUT THE FUCK UP with this "proof!" crap. It makes Ron Paul supporters look like whining little bitches.
 
tsai3904 said:
Yes, nothing and no one is perfect. The Alaska coordinator says it was due to "confusion among the poll volunteers". Most people knew that anyone can register on the spot so I doubt the poll volunteers would knowingly turn people away saying that they can't register on the spot because anyone who knew the rules could have stepped in and confronted them.

Also, if people did actually get turned away, let's hear it from someone that it actually happened to. What happened in Washington where 800 people got turned away and where it's on video is proof. There hasn't been any out of Alaska yet.
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Not confusion, deception.
 
Xenophage said:
The Alaskan PPP is meaningless, people. There is no primary vote. Yes, there were shenanigans, but we need to focus on winning now.

The caucuses are what matters, and we need help identifying Paul supporters and getting out the vote. With 40% of the state delegates decided, Ron Paul commands over 50% so far. We will lose that lead big in the coming caucuses because the GOP up there is now scrambling to get everyone and their mother out for Romney.
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^This
One way or the other the most important thing right now is to get the support our delegates in Alaska that they need to maintain their current numbers.
 
Philman said:
Stupid shit like this needs to stop. Not the so called fraud..but these accusations of fraud with ZERO evidence.

SHOW me that the people turned away wer all Ron Paul voters. Otherwise..SHUT THE FUCK UP with this "proof!" crap. It makes Ron Paul supporters look like whining little bitches.
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Pretty harsh for someone who just joined. There has been proof if you've read all the threads.
Personally I'm disgusted by the GOP's efforts. If that makes me a whiner so be it. I remember 2008 and what they did to marginalize RP delegates.
 
John F Kennedy III said:
Been saying since Iowa we are being cheated out of 1st. We should have at least 6-7 wins. And plenty of 2nds.
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And that momentum and realization by those afraid come over to the winning side could have locked up the election.

The global networks of central banks may have been stopped and law, order, and liberty restored to this once great nation.

Maybe we are going to have to think of new ways to be heard.
 
Philman said:
Stupid shit like this needs to stop. Not the so called fraud..but these accusations of fraud with ZERO evidence.

SHOW me that the people turned away wer all Ron Paul voters. Otherwise..SHUT THE FUCK UP with this "proof!" crap. It makes Ron Paul supporters look like whining little bitches.
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Did you see this Ben Swann report?

For me personally this is proof. Listen to Matt McDonald. He sounds truthful to me. If so, the fraud could run much deeper than just his area. You can multiply the fraud by one, or any number you want, but you can't divide it by zero.


Matt is at about 3:29 if you want to jump ahead.



This video is from an old thread (Ben Swann Streaming 30 Minute Special Tonight!!!);

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363005-Ben-Swann-Streaming-30-Minute-Special-Tonight!!!
 
In a legal sense there is a huge difference between much of the "proof" that you see here and actual evidence. But for those of you who think there is absolute proof that election fraud was committed you can get an attorney (I am sure that you can find a strong libertarian one who will work pro bono) and file a case with the Alaska Attorney General's Office. Posting that this or that is "proof of voter fraud" on a web forum is pointless. If you believe you have credible evidence that a crime as committed, then you need to do what is needed to ensure those that committed the crime are brought to justice.
 
I don't know about you lot, but I have extreme doubt about the entire process. Here is a follow up email I sent to the Australian Electoral Comission when I asked about how they prevent voter fraud here in Australia. Note. I summarised the answers to their question and asked for clarification if I understood correctly:

Hi XXXX,

Thank you for responding. I'm afraid that I am now more disheartend with the process than I was before I sent my inital email.

1. Asking a voter whether they've voted before in the election as a means to prevent them from voting at multiple locations is abuseable to the point of being absurd. Is this the only mechanism in place to prevent an individual from voting at multiple locations on the same day?

2. If someone voted at multiple locations on the same day, then essentially the vote is counted anyway and they'll be asked to explain after the total tally is complete and the winner is announced. Again, this is extremely abusable and concerning.

3. In this day and age, address list can easily be comprimised from databases and this information can be used to place a fradulent vote on SOMEONE elses behalf. According to what you mentioned earlier, this vote would go towards the total tally anyway! The victim would then be asked to explain what happened? Is this correct?

4. Can you please elaborate on who you mean by candidate? Who do I (non-affiliated with anyone) have to contact to be present at the time the ballots are counted and are they counted on-site where the voting takes place?

5. Thanks, I will look into this.

Thanks XXXX, I appreciate your response and would appreciate if you could clarify my final points above. I'm sure you can appreciate that the safe guards seem completely lacking and very concerning.



Here is the response I received:

I note that we responded to the questions raised in your original email enquiry received on 3 March 2012.

I advise that more information is available on our website www.elections.nsw.gov.au. This includes information for candidates and also handbooks for previous elections are available.

It should be noted that elections are conducted in a legal environment according to laws made by the NSW Parliament.



It's all a bloody farce, they treat us like peasants and want us to simply plod along.

EDIT: I should add that in Australia, you simply have to provide a name and an address to vote. Your name is marked of on a list and you are issued a ballot paper. You can repeat this process several times. If 10 people did this at 10 different locations using someone elses name, that's 100 fake votes going to any candidate they want.
 
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donnay said:
QFT! ++++++rep!
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Thank you. I'm glad more people around here are finally willing to see the truth. We have been cheated out of real votes in several states that have cost us either 1st or 2nd (and even 3rd) place. THIS RACE WOULD BE OVER, DR. PAUL WOULD HAVE IT IN THE BAG if they hadn't stolen a single vote cast for Ron Paul in this cycle.
 
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