Looking to invest in precious metals, need advice

I say this to all new PM investors/savers.

If you cannot afford to buy gold in the 1/2 ounce weights or more - you have no business buying gold. That is, from a purely economic standpoint. The premiums on sub half ounce coins are massive.

Buy silver if you cannot afford 1000$ (close at the moment) or more gold purchases.

Thanks for the advice so far.

Interesting bit about investing in rental properties.

The only problem I have with gold is that I don't really have the funds to start buying it. Of course, the thought of getting 1/10 or 1/20 ounce coins could be the best strategy for now, along with buying 1/2 or 1 ounce silver coins, then some junk silver here and there.

A few folks made a good point, that if hyper inflation happens that I won't be able to make micro transactions with 1 ounce silver coins or gold coins, so they suggest junk silver. The only problem is I worry a bit about the idea of exchanging money for lower valued money (face value).

That something I'll have to overcome in my head.

Also, I do worry about the prospects of folks still exchanging junk silver post-collapse or hyper inflation. I think the idea of exchanging any US based currency after the paper and current coins are basically worthless could worry folks (or at least me) when they go to exchange tangible goods for it. But, I guess the fact that it's silver contents are still valued at something will make it worth trading in the event an economic downturn, because I believe we would need some kind of post-currency to make facilitating trade easier.
 
I say this to all new PM investors/savers.

If you cannot afford to buy gold in the 1/2 ounce weights or more - you have no business buying gold. That is, from a purely economic standpoint. The premiums on sub half ounce coins are massive.

Buy silver if you cannot afford 1000$ (close at the moment) or more gold purchases.
This^^ Going into debt to buy PMs is stupid.
 
I had some odds and ends sterling silver around, a couple small plates and spoons. Went to my local dealer. $300. Loved it. I am going to be buy $1000 of silver ounces just to have a round. Most importantly living close to the ocean are my fishing rods and spear gun. I can make water out of sea water if need be and walk a couple hundred yards out to the hills and bag me a few dove with a shotgun. I feel sorry for those who rely on the system so much they will not be able to provide for themselves.
 
I feel sorry for those who rely on the system so much they will not be able to provide for themselves.

You are kidding yourself if you believe you are not one of them.

Do the test:
Turn off your electrical power, water service, and do not drive your car (as it is out of gas for this scenario).

Dare you to live even 5 days like this.

Now, consider that your neighbors would be living like this ... especially if you happen to have something they don't .....
 
You are kidding yourself if you believe you are not one of them.

Do the test:
Turn off your electrical power, water service, and do not drive your car (as it is out of gas for this scenario).

Dare you to live even 5 days like this.

Now, consider that your neighbors would be living like this ... especially if you happen to have something they don't .....

I have guns and a will to live. That is all I need.
 
I have guns and a will to live. That is all I need.

Give your bravado a 5 day test - I'll wager a buck by day 3 you'll say to anyone listening ..."Well that was long enough, I could do that standing on my head for 30 days...", and the will all laugh at your joke.
 
Give your bravado a 5 day test - I'll wager a buck by day 3 you'll say to anyone listening ..."Well that was long enough, I could do that standing on my head for 30 days...", and the will all laugh at your joke.

Really dude. I spent three weeks in the Mojave desert by myself just so I could say I did. I will be just fine.
 
As others have said:
Stocking the pantry is always a smart thing to do.
You won't go wrong using metals to preserve your wealth for the future.
Investing in your own business is a good way to build your wealth.

The only thing I can add is that you might want to commit yourself to a contract that enforces financial discipline to build your savings.
Some people have good results using dividend paying whole life insurance to do this. Google "Bank on Yourself" and "Infinite Banking".
There's an awful lot of sales hype to cut through, but there are some real benefits too.
Here's one of the best discussion threads I've found about it: http://forums.kiplinger.com/showthread.php?10496-Bank-on-Yourself-Infinite-Banking...&pp=15
 
I've think I'll settle on buying half junk silver and half 1 ounce silver. I wouldn't mind investing in half ounce silver, but the premiums vs an one ounce will cost me more to buy the two half ounces.

Looking at the historical trends on silver, it was as low as $9 to $11 dollars an ounce even as recent as 2008.

If it appears to be more of a recovery or if the euro begins to go belly up wonder if we’ll see another drop to around 2008 levels as more people flee the Euro and begin to place trust in the US Dollar, which could give the appearance of a recovery? It could be even more so, because gold and silver have so many new speculators driven by the likes of Glenn Beck and such, since The Great Recession, a lot of whom may jump ship if it becomes apparent that silver or gold temporarily drops dynamically. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I believe if I slowly exchange my notes for silver, I'll be able to reduce my losses if it turns out that it does drop, but that drop would give me the opportunity to invest more and likely make up the difference, until we see another rise. I'm thinking of long-term, so I'm not too concerned about short-term losses. As far as gold goes, I think I may get a few ounces here and there once I have more expendable income.
 
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Sounds like a good plan.

Just keep turning some of those paper FRNs into something more tangible instead of spending them on 'hookers and blow' and you're doing better than most.

Of course firearms and ammo are also good but that's a topic for another thread.
 
Sounds like a good plan.

Just keep turning some of those paper FRNs into something more tangible instead of spending them on 'hookers and blow' and you're doing better than most.

Of course firearms and ammo are also good but that's a topic for another thread.

My parents never owned firearms when I was growing up, so I haven't fired a weapon before.

I've been telling my partner, that we should go take a local training course.

:p
 
I'm going to try to find a good local coin dealer, before using APMEX. Hopefully, I can save a little on premiums and shipping.

I believe it would be a benefit to have a good relationship with someone, maybe offer some of my services (web design & hosting).

Hopefully, I can buy my first few coins next week.

I would like to still get some thoughts on current silver prices.

If it appears to be more of a recovery or if the euro begins to go belly up wonder if we’ll see another drop to around 2008 levels as more people flee the Euro and begin to place trust in the US Dollar, which could give the appearance of a recovery? It could be even more so, because gold and silver have so many new speculators driven by the likes of Glenn Beck and such, since The Great Recession, a lot of whom may jump ship if it becomes apparent that silver or gold temporarily drops dynamically. Anyone have thoughts on this?

Do any of you think we'll see a drop in coming months?
 
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I'm going to try to find a good local coin dealer, before using APMEX. Hopefully, I can save a little on premiums and shipping.

I believe it would be a benefit to have a good relationship with someone, maybe offer some of my services (web design & hosting).

Very good idea - buy local, sell local.

Do any of you think we'll see a drop in coming months?

A recession is coming.
The Baltic Dry Goods Index collapsed - lowest level in 30 years - a sign that ships aren't needed because no one is buying goods.

In a recession all commodities take a hit - gold and silver are not immune.

When this happens it will be a buying time - because the fundamentals; large debt, massive Central Bank buying of that debt; thus inflation - has not changed.

The optimum strategy is to buy an oz every month or two like clockwork, then the price rise and fall doesn't matter.

As long as the fundamentals do not change, neither should your buying habit.
 
Very good idea - buy local, sell local.
A recession is coming.
The Baltic Dry Goods Index collapsed - lowest level in 30 years - a sign that ships aren't needed because no one is buying goods.

In a recession all commodities take a hit - gold and silver are not immune.

When this happens it will be a buying time - because the fundamentals; large debt, massive Central Bank buying of that debt; thus inflation - has not changed.

The optimum strategy is to buy an oz every month or two like clockwork, then the price rise and fall doesn't matter.

As long as the fundamentals do not change, neither should your buying habit.

Thanks, Black Flag.
 
Buy some now!

I’m thinking about starting to invest in precious metals and need some advice.<br>
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Basically, I’m 21, run a small business, own a car outright, no debts and can easily pay my current load of bills with my income, but, rather than transferring “extra” income to my saving account every month, I tend to spend it on things that aren’t really necessary.<br>
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Ultimately, I feel like I’m not working towards something long-term.<br>
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So, I thought it would be smarter to start placing some of that extra income into a long-term investment plan, which involves me buying 1oz silver ingots or 1 pound copper bars a few times a month and over time building a nice size stockpile without a large initial investment; I don’t have the savings to go drop thousands right now on much of anything.<br>
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I've never owned precious metals, so I need some advice. Any info would help.<br>
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<em>Does anyone have an advice?<br>
Should I wait and see if silver drops?<br>
Is this a good or bad idea?<br>
And if good, where should I buy?</em>
<br><br>You are thinking smart for a 21 year old, wish that I could have said the same thing about myself.  First of all, now is a great time to start, just start buying small amounts over time so you dollar cost average.  You wouldn't want to start off buying a bunch with your life savings because with any market there is downside risk, and you could lose some money in the short term.<br><br>If you have ten or twenty thousand in savings then start out buying maybe one or two thousand dollars worth of silver and gold per month, or if you don't yet have any savings, that is okay too because you are debt free, just figure out about how much you are spending on "extra" stuff per month that you really should be saving, lets say that number is $200.  Then every week/month buy a set amount of gold and/or silver, this way if the price is down you will get more ounces, and if the price is up you won't run the risk of losing too much if the market pulls back.  This concept is called dollar cost averaging.  <br><br>You ask if you should wait to see if Silver drops, well, you could try and time the market, but if it were possible to do with 100% accuracy then everyone would be doing it.  In reality, technical analysis does work pretty well so you could go over to stock charts dot com and take their online basic candlestick technical analysis course.  It is how I first learned technical analysis.  Just a few days ago I thought Silver and Gold were ready to break out as they both had pulled back, consolidated, and were about to cross resistance points on the chart.  I figured the metals were gonna make another run, or they'd get pushed down, and the latter happened, it appears someone tried to put the damper on what looked like a technical breakout, and it worked kind of-- but the demand seems too strong and the market dumping didn't keep the price down for very long.  This to me shows that there is exceptional demand at current prices so buying either silver or gold now would not be bad timing at all.  If someone keeps pushing the metals down when they appear ready to break out, the charts may suffer enough damage to cause metals to pull back some, but as long as you are buying in smaller increments you will be happy to get some at a lower cost, if it goes up then you'll be happy too.<br><br>I'd say the chances are better than 50% that we see $2000 gold and $40 silver before we see $1500 gold and $30 Silver.  In either case, in the next few years there isn't much that will stop both from rising, eventually there will probably be a period of very fast price increases possibly increases of 60% in a very short time, like the final phases of the gold breakout back in the 80's.  I personally like to buy $1,000 in silver or gold every month or two, when the market seems soft.  I am heavy in Silver because I think it is under priced compared to gold, but I always get a little bit of gold (and I mean a little... like a tenth ounce) which forces me to pay a premium.  Buying in 1/10 or 1/20 carries a big premium you'll be paying way over $2000 an ounce.  Silver on the other hand, I like to buy canadian maple leafs, the .9999 purity and try to get them as close to spot price as possible, usually around $3 or $4 over spot.  They are widely accepted for their exceptional quality, and nothing gives you a better feeling once you start accumulating a nice pile of these coins. :)<br><br>Buy from a reputable online dealer, I use apmex & kitco and am happy with both.  You get a better price if you pay by check or money order and better prices for quantity.<br><br>If I were you, I would start today.  Order yourself a few Canadian Maple Leaf Silver Ounces on pay-day, use the "pay yourself first" mentality.  If you wait until all the bills are paid there will be nothing left for you-- the most important person.  You'll have fun trying out different coins,  I like the look of Australian Kookabura's but they usually carry a price premium.  You can get some silver and gold on ebay but its usually over priced by about ten percent for some reason.  Stick with high quality, very pure coins, they are easy to liquidate if needed.<br><br>Have fun, once you get started you won't want to stop. <br><br><br>
 
Have fun, once you get started you won't want to stop.

Thanks for the reply.

Lots of good information.

Is there really a difference between .999 and .9999 silver or it is just a marketing ploy?

Minting companies have used the extra 9 as a means to increase perceived value and show off refining technology which is somewhat of a marketing ploy really. Gold refined at 9999 was introduced by the Canadian Mint in the 1980's, in fact some coins produced in 1979 and 1980 at .999 are rumored to be have a higher purity than the current issues of .9999.
 
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Congrats zHorn on your impeding loss of precious metals virginity. Sounds like you got some good advice and have a "solid" plan.

IMO, the .999 vs. .9999 is largely irrelevant for purposes of investment and/or commerce. It might make a difference for people who intend to melt down and use the metal industrially, but why pay a premium for a state mint issued coin if that's your goal?
 
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