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Lookie What They Are Prepping For Tampa.
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You have
1) The streets in Tampa surrounding the place where the convention is
2) Paul Fest.
1) - the streets. could be dangerous. that's where protests typically take place. that's where people who want trouble will go to get it. I don't know how many people there will be there, but that's where the danger is.
2) Paul Festival. No reason to think there will be any trouble there at all. It's not really close to the convention. From what I'm seeing, it's not going to be extremely well attended. I think it will be a nice thing. I like 7 days of RV parking at the Tampa Fairgrounds.
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OK, I'm out for a while guys. I'm trying to help. If you want information on what the current capabilities of the opposition is capable of, I happen to know. I've used the tools in Iraq, and even before that to break up demonstrations. The main goal is to change your mind. You might think you want a certain political or public relations thing to be the most important thing in the world, you would even consider dying for it..... But when you cannot breath, or you skin begins to burn, you'll change your mind.
Y'all do what you want to do in Tampa, have a good time, be safe. Run like hell if you start hearing firecrackers. (that's what it sounds like when bullets go by).
Talk to a few guys that have been there before you go there.
Y'all do what you want to do in Tampa, have a good time, be safe. Run like hell if you start hearing firecrackers. (that's what it sounds like when bullets go by).
Talk to a few guys that have been there before you go there.
I'm pretty sure the poster meant in the context of them if they were operating as they are NOT supposed to in this country. But you knew that, seems you may have an axe to grind....
American servicemen or not, I have no pity for what may happen to them if they are violating their oath to the constitution(as they ALL currently are, but that's another thread), ESPECIALLY if they are on US soil.
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So, for damning them without proof that they violated one iota of their oath, flick you and yer mother too.
Intelligent response. Since you started calling me and my mother names, I guess the gloves are off and now I may just hurt your feelings.
I have proof. Fighting in an unconstitutional war=violating your oath. It's pretty simple.
I have witnessed it with my own eyes while in a Federal Law Enforcement and Homeland Security operations in the USCG capacity for nearly 9 years, working with ALL branches during that time, and it could be argued I've violated my oath a time or three. My combat experienced personal friends, are they all lying to me? My own eyes and what I have seen and done, are they lying to me?
I've heard the likes of you denigrate "civilians" as somehow lesser than you because you "serve" and they don't so many times I swear I'm gonna puke all over the next one I hear within earshot say it.....I only mention this point because you've mentioned you're a combat vet no less than three times already in this thread, when it had no bearing whatsoever in the conversation at the time. Get over yourself, you being dumb enough to enlist in the first place puts any and all happenings after that squarely in your lap, got it? So don't be surprised when nobody gives a shit. And yes, I would say this to your face, ALL of my combat vet friends are WELL AWARE of where I stand on this issue. Go to my youtube channel in my sig, the I Wanna Be President song was wrote by a two time Purple Heart disabled Combat vet-and used with his complete permission and input on the video.
Nothing you -or I, or he- ever did while in the "service" did anything for anyone in this country except for a very few people-and you and I cannot join their club, but we can damn sure fight to protect it.
And yes, damn all of them. Without them, there would be no wars. Period. It is they who are doing things over there that put my family and I in the real danger, there's a difference between saying you're defending freedom, and actually doing it. I have a feeling you are of the former type,as I knew you'd respond the way you did to my post, it was so predictable just from your couple of comments before I even bothered responding to you.
I'm not questioning you or anyone else whose been in combats' heroism or patriotism...but it was by choice you ended up there, blind nationalism or patriotism at the time is no excuse, even for myself and my enlistment. It is without question men of all ages in this country would rise the fuck up and handle business-IF WE WERE UNDER A LEGITIMATE ATTACK. Joining the military since after WWII , though? Nah...... I've got nothing for ya, myself included.
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I've never killed anyone that wasn't trying to kill me first. My first priority was to treat the wounded. Both sides. A medic has to do what a medic has to do.
No apologies to you or yer mother.
Get a grip on reality, and see the demonstration as what it was, a demonstration.
No apologies to you or yer mother.
Get a grip on reality, and see the demonstration as what it was, a demonstration.
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You were trying to kill them first by proxy of dropping your ass into their country. There is only one purpose for a military. Just because you "only" picked up the pieces doesn't make you anymore of a saint in my eyes.
I do have a grip on reality-what do you think the whole point of a DEMONSTRATION is, maybe to DEMONSTRATE something? There is NO REASON to have our Special Ops training w/ another Special Ops Force that is in concert with our national security. NONE. That makes the OPS not so SPECIAL anymore. The ONLY reason they would be training like this, is to eventually turn the guns on us. Foreign soldiers are sure to kill a civilian population helluva lot faster than the domestic soldier would, but you already know that.
Enough of derailing this thread./
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Hmmm...
Sublymnal or azxd?
So hard to decide.
Sublymnal or azxd?
So hard to decide.
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Yes, knowledge is power. But you lack both.
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No bro, we ain't done yet.
I've never ended a life of a person that wasn't trying to end mine, except for meat. I was where I was, with huge red crosses on my vehicle, to care for the wounded. I did that, and when people tried to kill me, I tried to kill them back. I'm still here. Zero sympathy or empathy from me on that issue. I never started crap, but I have finished crap. I sleep very well at night. Some now what a real fight looks like, then there is you.
This demo has not demonstrated anything close to foreign military wanting to kill you. If it does happen, have your family send us a message, and we'll be pissed off. Till then, you are only fantasizing about your own delusions of grandeur. Those guys in the video are home. If they kill you, I'll be just as pissed off as the rest of us.
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And just how would you know that? No, seriously, just how would you know? I've been around.
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And just how would you know that? No, seriously, just how would you know? I've been around.
It's more of a primal instinct. Kinda like when a heard of buffalo start stampeding when one of the heard senses danger, they all react at once. Sometimes it's nothing, other times it's a pack of wolves. When you live in a world of rabid police state mother-fuckers, i personally would respect that warning from that alert buffalo. Everytime. And eff your mother back you gutless punk.
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I'm interested in winning. That's all. Either Ron Paul will be the nominee or not. If not, let's get as much as we can. Tomorrow is another day.
Gutless? Where were you when the real shit was hitting the fan? Hiding under a bed or sucking your surrogate mothers tit I'd guess.
I volunteered to go there to help our servicemen, I was only interested in that, but did what I had to do to take care of them, and come home.
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Although I disagree with his general point of view on soldiers, I can see why Veteran Citizen is being defensive here: He was in a foreign country as a medic, and he treated the wounded on BOTH sides. Although he was there as part of the US military, treating wounded on both sides meant he took on a much more neutral or positive influence than someone who only treated US soldiers (which could be cynically viewed as aiding and abetting hostile invaders). You can grumble about him going on the taxpayer dime instead of his own, but that puts him in the "tax feeder" category at worst, not the "violent oppressor" category, meaning he really did nothing wrong (that we know of) with respect to the people of a foreign country. (Remember that it would be totally kosher for individuals to travel to a foreign country for humanitarian reasons anyway. Nationalists might argue about a foreign state's control over immigration and travel, but libertarians couldn't. 
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I'd say that makes him something of an exception to the rule when it comes to soldiers, but he seems to be projecting his own role onto other soldiers, identifying with them, and taking it personally when the morality of their quite different typical role is questioned or condemned. He took it as a personal attack and retaliated with insults...I think that was his mistake, but returning insults and escalating the hostility isn't really going to help anything.
I can understand where all of you guys are coming from, so would it really be that hard for you guys to come to a civil understanding with each other as well? We're all on the same side here, so a chill pill may be in order. You can disagree on who has the right attitude toward soldiers without hating each other...or each other's mothers.
)I'd say that makes him something of an exception to the rule when it comes to soldiers, but he seems to be projecting his own role onto other soldiers, identifying with them, and taking it personally when the morality of their quite different typical role is questioned or condemned. He took it as a personal attack and retaliated with insults...I think that was his mistake, but returning insults and escalating the hostility isn't really going to help anything.
I can understand where all of you guys are coming from, so would it really be that hard for you guys to come to a civil understanding with each other as well? We're all on the same side here, so a chill pill may be in order. You can disagree on who has the right attitude toward soldiers without hating each other...or each other's mothers.
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Although I disagree with his general point of view on soldiers, I can see why Veteran Citizen is being defensive here: He was in a foreign country as a medic, and he treated the wounded on BOTH sides. Although he was there as part of the US military, treating wounded on both sides meant he took on a much more neutral or positive influence than someone who only treated US soldiers (which could be cynically viewed as aiding and abetting hostile invaders). You can grumble about him going on the taxpayer dime instead of his own, but that puts him in the "tax feeder" category at worst, not the "violent oppressor" category, meaning he really did nothing wrong (that we know of) with respect to the people of a foreign country. (Remember that it would be totally kosher for individuals to travel to a foreign country for humanitarian reasons anyway. Nationalists might argue about a foreign state's control over immigration and travel, but libertarians couldn't.
I'd say that makes him something of an exception to the rule when it comes to soldiers, but he seems to be projecting his own role onto other soldiers, identifying with them, and taking it personally when the morality of their quite different typical role is questioned or condemned. He took it as a personal attack and retaliated with insults...I think that was his mistake, but returning insults and escalating the hostility isn't really going to help anything.
I can understand where all of you guys are coming from, so would it really be that hard for you guys to come to a civil understanding with each other as well? We're all on the same side here, so a chill pill may be in order. You can disagree on who has the right attitude toward soldiers without hating each other...or each other's mothers.
Grrrrrr. I may be able to calm down a bit. It'll take a while. I learned to respect Soldiers greatly being one of them, and watching them endure great hardship and separation from their families. I never met a jack booted thug among them, but met many patriots.
Ima still gonna get bent when some asshat fantasizes while fapping at home, safe and secure due to the efforts of better men that those that spawned him, about what it would look like if one of those guys got killed. His grandmother probably swam out to meet returning troop ships, and he's still ticked about it.
Our military supports Ron Paul, and it's not too much to ask to return the favor.
NOBODY CARES WHY YOU WERE IN THE WAR(S)!!!! There you go, AGAIN with you're "I'm better than because I went off to war BY MY OWN CHOICE FOR A USELESS FUCKING REASON, nanner nanner nanner, so your opinion means shit, flick yer mother, naner nanner nanner."
What "real shit hitting the fan"?-the shit you inserted yourself into? Because it sure hasn't "hit the fan" in any locale I'm aware of, and I've been around lately. The mere notion that you equate your war experience with being right is astronomically SAD, and really reveal YOUR Delusions of Grandeur.. Then, you REPEATEDLY equate said experience with intelligence-oh...never mind.
Hey everybody, I was in the USCG for 9 years, rescued several dozen people, done cpr/first aid on others for HOURS in rough ass seas with half the crew puking over the side, just to have the patient die on us, almost fell off the sides of several big ships while boarding them for no other reason than to squeeze more money out of them in some way-and we'd find a way-, witnessed people having their rights violated all of the time, and even been a part of it at times early in my career, I've been a part of HUGE drug busts, chased down drug boats, worked in 120*+ engine rooms on engines 50ft long-while they're running-in heaving seas, drilled for hours and days at a time in hot fire suits, pulled dead Haitians and Cubans out of the water, shackled those that were alive to the deck of a ship's flight deck in the tropical sun-with Key West in sight on the horizon so they could see where they almost got to...I'll stop now.
I could WHINE incessantly for pages and pages about the SHIT I've been through while I was in the military, and use it as some sort of back-handed slap every time says something I disagree with-but I don't. I wouldn't. I put myself there. It was ALWAYS as easy as not going. I've to grips with my experience working for the government, and quite honestly am somewhat ashamed of it, because it's INFESTED with the likes of you, who look down your nose at others who haven't been what you've been through, and it's disgusting....not because it's just a shitty thing to do, no matter what your position on the social ladder-But because YOU PUT YOURSELF THERE. That's like me jumping off a bridge and becoming a para-pelagic-and then calling you a pussy for not trying it in the same spot. It doesn't matter if they didn't, this is a good thing-it is horrifying you cannot see it that way, because that is reality... because if NO ONE went, there wouldn't be any of these fucking wars that breed evil spawn such as yourself.
Good day.
Check mate sir-you are a POS. Refer to my above post, I'm done with this thread for real(pinky swear).
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