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SpiritOf1776_J4 said:
Yep. The thought that a description is not an identification or even a name seems to be eluding some people. Like there are no real facts in the news stories at the moment..
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So, just to clarify - you don't think the FBI showed the victim a photo. But you do think that Obama arranged this with the Russian president.
 
angelatc said:
Listening to the scanner, a cop said that this was a different suspect that the one they were pursuing. He's about 60 years old. It has nothing to do with the suspect they're looking for.

This is just cops being paranoid, IMHO.
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So Michael over at Daily Paul is in real danger. Sounds that they are just going to shoot anyone they don't like.

Oh yes, conspiracy theory again? Or simply giving my opinion that the government isn't acting trustworthy at the moment.
 
SpiritOf1776_J4 said:
So Michael over at Daily Paul is in real danger. Sounds that they are just going to shoot anyone they don't like.

Oh yes, conspiracy theory again? Or simply giving my opinion that the government isn't acting trustworthy at the moment.
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Terrorists are assholes. (That's opinion).

Sounds like the police are going to shoot anyone they don't like. (That's hypothesis.)
 
angelatc said:
So, just to clarify - you don't think the FBI showed the victim a photo. But you do think that Obama arranged this with the Russian president.
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I said, I thought it was possible. It's not worse an idea that Obama made an arrangement with Saudi Arabia going around yesterday.

I don't think it's necessary true. I don't think that way. I think in terms of odds and scenarios. I think it's a possibility. I haven't assigned a probability yet.

It is odd that all of a sudden everyone is Russian. It's a possibility that can't be dismissed is what I mean, not that it is that way. For myself, when something is that way, I then look for a way to disprove it or more facts that might make it more probable. That is how I think.
 
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SpiritOf1776_J4 said:
I said, I thought it was possible. It's not worse an idea that Obama made an arrangement with Saudi Arabia going around yesterday.

I don't think it's necessary true. I don't think that way. I think in terms of odds and scenarios. I think it's a possibility. I haven't assigned a probability yet.

It is odd that all of a sudden everyone is Russian. It's a possibility that can't be dismissed is what I mean, not that it is that way. For myself, when something is that way, I then look for a way to disprove it or more facts that might make it more probable. That is how I think.
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But do you look to disprove yourself? According to Wiki, Boston has a large Russian-American community.
 
angelatc said:
You're the one insisting there's no difference between hypothesis and opinion.
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False dichotomy. Neither, or humor, is "making up facts", which is what I objected to. I don't make stuff up. I know what actual facts are - and we aren't being given real facts.

Typically, saying that - these aren't real facts - makes me a conspiracy theorist. An actual conspiracy theorist does a lot more than just question how factual something being reported is.
 
angelatc said:
But do you look to disprove yourself? According to Wiki, Boston has a large Russian-American community.
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This isn't very relevant. I was quoting the media. Your "international conspiracy" was from media reports, not something I "made up". I didn't make the men from Chechnya with possible military training and speaking Russia, it is what the media reported.

So if the media made something up again, it's them you have a complaint with.
 
SpiritOf1776_J4 said:
This isn't very relevant. I was quoting the media. Your "international conspiracy" was from media reports, not something I "made up". I didn't make the men from Chechnya with possible military training and speaking Russia, it is what the media reported.

So if the media made something up again, it's them you have a complaint with.
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Yes, it's pretty wild to assume that Russians would speak Russian. Obviously they're lying to us.
 
angelatc said:
What are actual facts?
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Well, for one, you don't get them from the media, or because you get everyone on a forum to agree by consensus what the facts are.

Facts aren't by votes, and it's why I'm questioning the purpose of why you aren't letting others think things through for themselves.

What's your point. You're going to vote on what the facts are? Facts are in reality. It exists. It is discover-able by the individual. And being told something is not discovery.

So far, we've had xxx number of consensus versions of what the real facts are by the media. It's a failed experiment. Perhaps, Americans have finally started thinking for themselves, and researching their own facts.
 
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