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Do you know if they are going to allow his amendments to be voted on?
*LIVE STREAM* Rand Paul to end Patriot Act - Sunday 4pm EST
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Do you know if they are going to allow his amendments to be voted on?
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No idea. We will find out in the next 40 minutes. I imagine "no" or Rand would have voted yes on Cloture?
A clean reauthorization of the Patriot Act was NEVER going to pass. USA Freedom Act allows for the same thing to happen except instead of the records being kept at the NSA, it's kept at the phone companies. The Patriot Act isn't dead. It was just renamed. EVERYONE cheers. What a waste of time. THEY WILL STILL LISTEN TO EVERYTHING YOU SAY. They just will store it in a different spot. So not really less bad. Just as bad but sprinkled with perfumed.
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Any twitter hashtags being used to support this to get it trending? Preferably something a-politcal party.
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SOME of the same things. A lot of it is different. The entire structure of the act is different. It's an entirely different act.
They would still be listening to everything you say even if the PATRIOT Act died with NO replacement.
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Rand just indicated he will try to proceed with his amendments anyway.
ETA - looks like RPF's was fixed.
ETA - looks like RPF's was fixed.
Yeah nice try to deflect. YES they will still be listening but it WOULD BE ILLEGAL. As it stands, it is LEGAL. Can't Stand with Rand on this. He could have just voted for the FREEDOM ACT and still claim to have let the Patriot Act Expire. HELL now John McCain and Mitch McConnell can make the same claim as well. Since they all LET the Patriot Act expire. Rand Paul didn't really achieve anything now did he?
All Rand can do is delay the vote until Tuesday, which I think he will. Nothing he can do to prevent the Freedom Act from passing since it looks like they have the votes.
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Why the hell is Julian Sanchez from the CATO Institute talking about how great USA Freedom is? Everyone else I've read from there and most other diehard libertarians are against it.
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I'm not deflecting, I'm stating facts. Sorry you don't like it. Rand is fighting the Freedom Act too, because it's a bad act. But it is a different act. You can try to paint Rand with a stink-brush all you want but it's not gonna stick.
Yea but he won't delay it till Tuesday. Sounds like he is going to let it pass before midnight. I hope I'm wrong but sounds like he buckled under pressure.
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It's been longer than 5 minutes. Is this filibuster 3?
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CATO are beltway libertarians. Tom Woods absolutely eviscerates them in his new book. Good stuff.
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I was hoping that they'd let The Patriot Act die prior to voting on the Freedom Act, but this isn't bad, at least from an optics standpoint. Seeing McCain get embarrassed on the CSPAN was a nice consolation prize. 
This wasn't five minutes,
Rand Paul asked to be notified when he has 5 minutes left
Rand Paul asked to be notified when he has 5 minutes left
Sorry there is NOTHING Rand Paul can do to make you not support him but I don't worship the guy. He had a chance here to stop it till Tuesday at the very least. But it sounds like (and I may be wrong) he buckled under the pressure and allow it to be reauthorized before midnight and our country is now safe again.
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