List of Liberty-minded Candidates for US Congress (2014)

[devil21]

That's what I'm referring to. Please don't accuse me of attempting to intentionally mislead.

Even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt, which I do not, you are simply not researching what you are posting and you are pushing support away from genuine Liberty candidates in favor of statists that only cursory research reveals aren't Liberty-minded candidates.

 

[compromise]

Even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt, which I do not, you are simply not researching what you are posting and you are pushing support away from genuine Liberty candidates in favor of statists that only cursory research reveals aren't Liberty-minded candidates.

In light of the evidence you have drawn up, I still maintain that I believe there to be significant evidence to deem Buck a liberty minded candidate in the general election.

Yes, this is a game, politics is a game. The way you win is by electing allies, even if they don't agree with you on 10-15% of votes.

Btw, I kinda suggested some candidates in another thread in this subforum: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?437273-Texas-s-36th-congressional-district
Feel free to critique them as you have vowed to do.

 

[Spoa]

In light of the evidence you have drawn up, I still maintain that I believe there to be significant evidence to deem Buck a liberty minded candidate in the general election.

Yes, this is a game, politics is a game. The way you win is by electing allies, even if they don't agree with you on 10-15% of votes.

Btw, I kinda suggested some candidates in another thread in this subforum: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?437273-Texas-s-36th-congressional-district
Feel free to critique them as you have vowed to do.

I agree that Ken Buck should be added. Buck would be a close ally of Paul, Cruz, Lee. His purity could be questioned, but his commitment to challenging the establishment/RINOs cannot be questioned.

If we had a senate filled with 50 Ken Bucks, we would be better off as a nation. I support Ken Buck for Senate.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Comparing favorably to the average Senator doesn't make someone a liberty candidate, Spoa. If that's the case there would be roughly 50 incumbent Senator "liberty candidates".

Especially if he's a vocal hawk and drug warrior.

 

[compromise]

Comparing favorably to the average Senator doesn't make someone a liberty candidate, Spoa. If that's the case there would be roughly 50 incumbent Senator "liberty candidates".

Especially if he's a vocal hawk and drug warrior.

It's fairly clear that Buck is far better than the likes of Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Bob Corker, Thad Cochran, Lamar Alexander, etc on key issues like the economy, world government and civil liberties. He seems on par with Jim DeMint, whom many considered a liberty-minded candidate. I highly doubt the rest of the GOP Senators would have received 19/20 in the Campaign for Liberty survey.

Vocal hawk on Iran, yes. Remember, even Mike Lee is a hawk on Iran. More than half the people on this list are hawks on Iran. If Iran is a dealbreaker, then the only incumbents we should support are Amash, Rand, Massie, Jones, Sanford and Duncan (TN) and the only people who can be deemed liberty candidates are ideological acolytes of them. I don't consider that to be the case, most of those incumbents don't consider that to be the case and Ron Paul/CFL/YAL don't consider that to be the case either.

Buck has "expressed disapproval over America's involvement in Iraq" and is opposed to national building in Afghanistan.

The drug war is mostly a non-issue at the federal level at the moment, there's usually at most 1-2 votes on it a year. Buck is right on so much and it would be unfortunate to oppose someone who agrees with us on so much because of a few minor disagreements.

 

[South Park Fan]

Steve Lonegan is now running for House in NJ-3

 

[devil21]

It's fairly clear that Buck is far better than the likes of Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Bob Corker, Thad Cochran, Lamar Alexander, etc on key issues like the economy, world government and civil liberties. He seems on par with Jim DeMint, whom many considered a liberty-minded candidate. I highly doubt the rest of the GOP Senators would have received 19/20 in the Campaign for Liberty survey.

Vocal hawk on Iran, yes. Remember, even Mike Lee is a hawk on Iran. More than half the people on this list are hawks on Iran. If Iran is a dealbreaker, then the only incumbents we should support are Amash, Rand, Massie, Jones, Sanford and Duncan (TN) and the only people who can be deemed liberty candidates are ideological acolytes of them. I don't consider that to be the case, most of those incumbents don't consider that to be the case and Ron Paul/CFL/YAL don't consider that to be the case either.

Buck has "expressed disapproval over America's involvement in Iraq" and is opposed to national building in Afghanistan.

The drug war is mostly a non-issue at the federal level at the moment, there's usually at most 1-2 votes on it a year. Buck is right on so much and it would be unfortunate to oppose someone who agrees with us on so much because of a few minor disagreements.

Give it up. Buck is status quo. Owen Hill is the Liberty-minded candidate in the CO Senate primary.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I can't stand Buck's holier than thou BS.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

A couple of adjustments on ratings may be in order, per these threads:

Pat McGeehan - 5 star:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ign-Evaluation-Pat-McGeehan-(U-S-Senate-R-WV)

Nancy Mace - 3 star:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430476-Campaign-Evaluation-Nancy-Mace-(U-S-Senate-R-SC)
(Richard Cash probably shouldn't be on the list at all.)

Paul Broun - 4 Star:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430616-Campaign-Evaluation-Paul-Broun-(U-S-Senate-R-GA)

 

[neverseen]

How do we get ratings for Mark Bircher, and how do we get him on the first page of this?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...aluation-Mark-Bircher-(U-S-House-FL-13)/page2

 

[Smart3]

A couple of adjustments on ratings may be in order, per these threads:

Pat McGeehan - 5 star:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ign-Evaluation-Pat-McGeehan-(U-S-Senate-R-WV)

Nancy Mace - 3 star:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430476-Campaign-Evaluation-Nancy-Mace-(U-S-Senate-R-SC)
(Richard Cash probably shouldn't be on the list at all.)

Paul Broun - 4 Star:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430616-Campaign-Evaluation-Paul-Broun-(U-S-Senate-R-GA)

Done.

 

[compromise]

Give it up. Buck is status quo. Owen Hill is the Liberty-minded candidate in the CO Senate primary.

No, I'm not going to give it up when all the real rebuttal you guys have is personal emotional opposition, conspiracy theories/links to so-and-so and a few disagreements on issues that are minor in the Senate, much like in the debates over whether Ted Cruz is a friend of the liberty movement. Can you bring up a case other than possibly Cap & Trade where Buck disagrees with us on economic issues?

I've said multiple times I don't support adding Buck until AFTER the primary. And Buck will win the primary, there's little question about that.

Q10 Given the choices of Mark Aspiri, Randy
Baumgardner, Ken Buck, Owen Hill, Jaime
McMillan, and Amy Stephens, who would you
most like to see as the Republican candidate
for Senate next year?
Mark Aspiri...................................................... 0%
Randy Baumgardner....................................... 8%
Ken Buck ........................................................ 45%
Owen Hill ........................................................ 2%
Jaime McMillan ............................................... 1%
Amy Stephens ................................................ 7%
Someone else/Not sure .................................. 37%

Even if Hill wins all the "Not sure" people, he'll still trail Buck by 6 points. Given the "Not sure" group is likely to be predominantly liberal Republicans and Hill is mainly competing with Buck for the conservative vote, that situation is pretty much impossible. I urge liberty-minded people to support Hill in the primary to show that there is demand for libertarian ideas and so push Buck in a more libertarian direction, but Buck's win is virtually inevitable and given how he agrees with us on 19/20 of CFL's key issues, it's hard to construe that as a defeat for the cause of liberty.

 

[devil21]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe you're missing the point of what it means to "support Liberty-minded Candidates for US Congress" if you're even discussing Buck and not putting full support behind the Liberty guy because some poll says he can't win 6 months before the primary is even held. How does he win if people like you are pushing support away from him and talking about Buck when Hill needs it most? I eagerly await your lesser of two evils argument, compromise. Fwiw, Im donating money to Hill this week. I hope others will join me.

(Btw, what do you mean by "you guys"?)

 

[RandallFan]

He faces no primary opponent and beat the Democrat by a 27 point margin in 2008, where Obama's candidacy led to higher black turnout. It's unlikely this is politically motivated.

He may have got more feedback this time around. People look for a list of the most conservative Senators after Lee, Paul and Cruz on the nay votes column and contact them.

 

[compromise]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe you're missing the point of what it means to "support Liberty-minded Candidates for US Congress" if you're even discussing Buck and not putting full support behind the Liberty guy because some poll says he can't win 6 months before the primary is even held. How does he win if people like you are pushing support away from him and talking about Buck when Hill needs it most? I eagerly await your lesser of two evils argument, compromise. Fwiw, Im donating money to Hill this week. I hope others will join me.

(Btw, what do you mean by "you guys"?)

Can you explain the situation where Hill beats Buck?

Do you seriously think there are enough Republicans who see Ken Buck as insufficiently conservative in order for him to recover 43% over 6 months? Or do you think pro-marijuana legalization liberals will somehow switch parties and register Republican to support Owen Hill? Neither scenario is politically viable in Colorado. Hill's candidacy is doomed.

 

[devil21]

Can you explain the situation where Hill beats Buck?

There's the lesser of evils argument I was waiting for. Thank god people here didn't say "Can you explain the situation where Ron Paul beats McCain?" or Romney or any other statist candidate, when Ron was polling at 3%.

Do you seriously think there are enough Republicans who see Ken Buck as insufficiently conservative in order for him to recover 43% over 6 months? Or do you think pro-marijuana legalization liberals will somehow switch parties and register Republican to support Owen Hill? Neither scenario is politically viable in Colorado. Hill's candidacy is doomed.

I don't know if there are or not. THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD NOR THIS FORUM SO GIVE IT UP. Liberty-minded candidates means just that. Buck is not the Liberty minded candidate in the CO Senate race. What the hell is so hard to grasp about that? Thanks for your persistence though. I just gave $50 to Hill.

Thank you for contributing and showing your support to my campaign! Your contribution for $50.00 is complete and your confirmation number is XXXXXXXXX.

Together we can restore the freedom we once held dear.

Sincerely,
Owen Hill

 

[Anti-Neocon]

If electability is what you're concerned about, Drug Warrior Ken Buck will sure get the liberal potheads to show up to the polls to vote for Udall.

 

[compromise]

This article suggests DeMaio is moderate on some key fiscal issues: http://llphsecondrevolution.wordpre...efeat-democrat-rep-scott-peters-tcot-liberty/

 

[devil21]

This article suggests DeMaio is moderate on some key fiscal issues: http://llphsecondrevolution.wordpre...efeat-democrat-rep-scott-peters-tcot-liberty/

Another Spoa link eh?

Who are you working for compromise?

 

[MichaelDavis]

There's the lesser of evils argument I was waiting for. Thank god people here didn't say "Can you explain the situation where Ron Paul beats McCain?" or Romney or any other statist candidate, when Ron was polling at 3%.



I don't know if there are or not. THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD NOR THIS FORUM SO GIVE IT UP. Liberty-minded candidates means just that. Buck is not the Liberty minded candidate in the CO Senate race. What the hell is so hard to grasp about that? Thanks for your persistence though. I just gave $50 to Hill.

I think he's just suggesting there are more important and winnable Senate primaries. Hill would be better, but Buck isn't bad. Just look up Buck's Campaign for Liberty survey. Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, and South Carolina are much stronger bets for us.