Lindsey Graham to bombing suspect (US citizen) - No Miranda Rights

 
Traditional Conservative said:
The problem is that right now there are 3 people primarying him. They need to get together and decide which one is actually going to run against him, otherwise they'll just split the anti Graham vote.
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wouldn't whoever tea party likes and sends money to be the challenger? At some point, wouldn't some of the candidates drop out?
 
If this kid turns out to be the wrong guy, Lindsey Graham's career might well be over. I wonder if Lindsey considered this?
 
DeMintConservative said:
As much as I disagree with him, Lindsey Graham was merely defending the policy put in place by Obama and Holder:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/325355797599100928


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/325356024137658369


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/325361020874936320
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Please. Who do you think was agitating for it? And that is not all. Apparently John McCain and Lindsay were the ones who wrote up the military commissions act for aliens back in quainter times when they knew they'd never get away with it for citizens. That's per the twitter account of a guy who used to be chief prosecutor at Guantanamo and now teaches law at Harvard Law.
 
sailingaway said:
Please. Who do you think was agitating for it? And that is not all. Apparently John McCain and Lindsay were the ones who wrote up the military commissions act for aliens back in quainter times when they knew they'd never get away with it for citizens. That's per the twitter account of a guy who used to be chief prosecutor at Guantanamo and now teaches law at Harvard Law.
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LOL

So, let's blame primarily the guys who were for it and not the guy who actually implemented it.

Some things never change.

Greenwald was exactly right.
 
anaconda said:
If this kid turns out to be the wrong guy, Lindsey Graham's career might well be over. I wonder if Lindsey considered this?
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Last night some missing Indian kid who went to Brown was being called, with great certitude, the second guy. On the police scanner, for example.

That alone is enough to demonstrate the merit of due process requirements.
 
DeMintConservative said:
LOL

So, let's blame primarily the guys who were for it and not the guy who actually implemented it.

Some things never change.

Greenwald was exactly right.
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Are you kidding? I absolutely blame Obama as well. But he isn't MORE to blame because they created it legislatively for him. It couldn't have occured without both aspects. All three violated their oaths of office to defend the Constitution and all three should be out of office for it in my opinion -- along with everyone in Congress who voted for it.
 
sailingaway said:
Are you kidding? I absolutely blame Obama as well. But he isn't MORE to blame because they created it legislatively for him. .
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Nope.

You've just made that up.

It was a decision of the Obama Administration. Unless you want to point out what exactly is the legislation you are talking about.

In fact, not only the DOJ craved this new policy, they kept it secret:
http://www.salon.com/2011/01/19/obama_holder_doj_miranda/

It became public months later:
http://www.salon.com/2011/03/24/obama_rolls_back_miranda/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...18970652119898.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

And it's funny you claim to blame Obama as well. Why are all the posts and comments about Graham and McCain then? Where are the threads about Obama?

You must admit it really makes it look like your outrage is selective.
 
if the ground floor for this all was laid down under George W. Bush's presidency and most metaphorically BHO appears to be like the icing on the already
completely baked cake, yes... he seems less guilty. John McCain looses the presidency when he appears to be the third term of the "W" and yes, many
Liberals are very quiet as POTUS BHO ceases to be a "dove" like the late Eugene McCarthy and becomes almost as hawkish as Senator Lindsey Graham.
 
It has been my understanding that reading you your rights doesn't grant them or turn them on or anything, just remind you of what they are.
 
Carson said:
It has been my understanding that reading you your rights doesn't grant them or turn them on or anything, just remind you of what they are.
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If they read you the warnings and you talk anyway, they are allowed to tell the jury what you said. If they fail to read you the warnings and you talk, they are not allowed to tell the jury what you said, generally. But if the cops invoke the Quarles exception (see my post on page 9 of this thread), they can skip the warnings and still report your statements to the jury.
 
We conclude that the need for answers to questions in a situation posing a threat to the public safety outweighs the need for the prophylactic rule protecting the Fifth Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination
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The GWOT is global, the homeland is the battlefield and it will never end.

Thus, every questioning is a public safety issue.

This goes here:

 
better-dead-than-fed said:
If they read you the warnings and you talk anyway, they are allowed to tell the jury what you said. If they fail to read you the warnings and you talk, they are not allowed to tell the jury what you said, generally. But if the cops invoke the Quarles exception (see my post on page 9 of this thread), they can skip the warnings and still report your statements to the jury.
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Reading the rights does seem to limit the police to some new rules they've been bound by. What I was trying to say was I think they are rights you always have. Not something that has been granted.

As for the Quarles exception. I'll check out your post.
 
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