Lily Tang Williams for U.S. House (NH-02)

[Occam's Banana]

Thanks for all that info.

I missed it when you posted it and since it's not my district I didn't know Kuster was not running again.

You're probably right, anyway.

But damn!, wouldn't it be awesome if you turned out not to be?

(Thomas Massie might finally have some competition for the highly coveted position of "OB's favorite person in Congress".)

 

[nobody's_hero]

NH: Lily Tang fries Dem. Challenger

AF what's your opinion? Tis your state I believe.

"I don't even have money to run a TV ad, and you pretend you are poor."

 

[PAF]

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsIyLNJiEn0



Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pkCGuQ0ZWs

 

[nobody's_hero]

You can't fake that expression on Maggie's face. Lily starts roasting her husband and suddenly that face goes as long as a horse's.

(I hate how you can't post a reply on twitter without it re-linking the whole thing. I'm sorry Occam.)

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1853196001475273095

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/DanielLMcAdams/status/1853215278777414103

 

[Invisible Man]

https://x.com/DanielLMcAdams/status/1853215278777414103

I know next to nothing about her. But any idea what the neocon charge comes from? This doesn't sound like neoconservatism to me:

Foreign Policy

I believe in peace through strength, having a strong and non-political military, and pursuing American interests first. In dealing with international conflicts, we must be unified and consistent in seeking diplomatic, economic, and technological solutions whenever possible.
Congress has been derelict in building consensus amongst our citizens by refusing to declare war when we have waged war. This is one of Congress’s most sacred duties, yet it has failed miserably, especially since WWII (i.e. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan …).
Other world organizations, like the World Economic Forum or the United Nations, have no legal authority or mandates over our citizens. The U.S. Congress is solely responsible for ensuring citizens representation and consent before any foreign conflict.

https://www.lilytangwilliams.com/congress/issues/

 

[Occam's Banana]

I know next to nothing about her. But any idea what the neocon charge comes from? This doesn't sound like neoconservatism to me:

https://www.lilytangwilliams.com/congress/issues/

As far as I can tell, it's over this item in particular:

https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1841583103355027644

https://x.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1841953179954528350
& https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1841982386600292763

 

[Invisible Man]

As far as I can tell, it's over this item in particular:

https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1841583103355027644

https://x.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1841953179954528350
& https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1841982386600292763

As I read it, she hasn't said enough. She may or may not be a neocon. But if she isn't, then it's her job to clarify how she isn't. OK, so supporting Israel morally doesn't mean supporting war. Well, what specifically does it mean in terms of the kinds of bills you would vote for an against?

 

[Occam's Banana]

As I read it, she hasn't said enough. She may or may not be a neocon. But if she isn't, then it's her job to clarify how she isn't. OK, so supporting Israel morally doesn't mean supporting war. Well, what specifically does it mean in terms of the kinds of bills you would vote for an against?

I agree.

But by the same token, I also think the "neocon" accusations & dismissals are (as yet) unwarranted.

And even if she did endorse interventionism in the particular case of Israel, that wouldn't necessarily make her a "neocon" - just an ad hoc interventionist, which is bad enough, without having to exaggerate it into something even worse (while simultaneously degrading the concept of "neo-conservative" as a useful distinction).

Every "neocon" is an interventionist - but not every interventionist is a "neocon".

 

[Invisible Man]

I agree.

But by the same token, I also think the "neocon" accusations & dismissals are (as yet) unwarranted.

And even if she did endorse interventionism in the particular case of Israel, that wouldn't necessarily make her a "neocon" - just an ad hoc interventionist, which is bad enough, without having to exaggerate it into something even worse (while simultaneously degrading the concept of "neo-conservative" as a useful distinction).

Every "neocon" is an interventionist - but not every interventionist is a "neocon".

That’s all true. The bit about Israel being a democracy is where her reasoning may betray neoconservatism. But it’s also such a cliche that everyone uses whenever they say they support Israel that she could have said that without any real thought about why that should matter.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

As far as I can tell, it's over this item in particular:

https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1841583103355027644

https://x.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1841953179954528350
& https://x.com/Lily4Liberty/status/1841982386600292763

Hmmm. Some options:

A - She is suffering from the same conditioning as most of America with regard to Iran and Israel.

B - She fully understands the situation, but wants to win an election in America.

C - She is a hardcore, dyed in the wool neoconservative, lying about everything she says, except for Israel and Iran.


If I had to guess about Maggie, her Democrat opponent, it would be option C. Lily could be A or B, or a little of both.

 

[pmbug]

Stupid puritans making perfect the enemy of damn good. Daniel McAdams and the Mises Caucus just don't have a clue on when to shut up. Would they prefer Lily's challenger? Sometimes folks in the liberty movement are just appallingly obtuse to the big picture. Lily would be an outstanding actor in Congress compared to her challenger.

In addition to RFK Jr and Shannon, Sen. Mike Lee posted some tweets to promote her.

 

[pmbug]

...
With less than a week until Election Day, the latest Saint Anselm College Survey Center poll has Goodlander up on Tang Williams 51-43.

Tang Williams’ campaign has yet to air a single television ad, so Thursday’s debate marked her best shot at selling herself and her candidacy to NH-02 district voters.
...

https://nhjournal.com/goodlander-tang-williams-land-blows-in-nh-02-debate/

That report says the latest poll, taken before Lily eviscerated Goodlander in that debate had Lily down only 8 points with a campaign that never aired a single TV ad.

 

[PAF]

Stupid puritans making perfect the enemy of damn good. Daniel McAdams and the Mises Caucus just don't have a clue on when to shut up. Would they prefer Lily's challenger? Sometimes folks in the liberty movement are just appallingly obtuse to the big picture. Lily would be an outstanding actor in Congress compared to her challenger.

In addition to RFK Jr and Shannon, Sen. Mike Lee posted some tweets to promote her.

It's called holding-them-accountable and educational outreach. Even Ron Paul has stated that he is non-partisan and his goal is education.

Mises.org, Ron and Daniel are not about towing-the-party-line, taking-one-for-the-team, my-side-is-better-than-your-side.

Your comment "stupid puritans" is very telling, and the reason why many in this country are promoting and adopting protectionist and authoritarian policies.

 

[TheTexan]

That’s all true. The bit about Israel being a democracy is where her reasoning may betray neoconservatism. But it’s also such a cliche that everyone uses whenever they say they support Israel that she could have said that without any real thought about why that should matter.

Either way, supporting Israel because it's a "democracy", is a globalist point of view.

It's "Lite" globalism but still globalism. Hopefully she grows out of this phase.

 

[pmbug]

It's called holding-them-accountable and educational outreach...

That's not how Daniel's tweet reads to me. It's totally fine to have a policy disagreement. What you do about it - how you handle it - says a lot about you. In this case, while Lily is campaigning against the wife of U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, Daniel McAdams sees fit to attack Lily with with a label that does not truly fit (she does not subscribe to the neocon agenda with Ukraine for example). It's dumb and misguided. If he truly wanted to "educate", there are way better ways to handle it. If he were truly concerned about championing the Liberty movement, he should be supporting a candidate that is damn good (there are no perfect unicorns any more) instead of trying to tear her down on the eve of the election.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Stupid puritans making perfect the enemy of damn good. Daniel McAdams and the Mises Caucus just don't have a clue on when to shut up. Would they prefer Lily's challenger? Sometimes folks in the liberty movement are just appallingly obtuse to the big picture. Lily would be an outstanding actor in Congress compared to her challenger.

In addition to RFK Jr and Shannon, Sen. Mike Lee posted some tweets to promote her.

I'm not sure why you would lump an individual's post (McAdams) with the Mises Caucus.

People in the Mises Caucus in general would be supportive of Lily Tang Williams, and are also voting for Trump.

 

[pmbug]

I'm not sure why you would lump an individual's post (McAdams) with the Mises Caucus.

People in the Mises Caucus in general would be supportive of Lily Tang Williams, and are also voting for Trump.

Sorry. OB's post quoting tweets from MC followed the post with McAdam's tweet and I read it quickly this morning and didn't notice the date stamps on them. I thought they were parroting McAdam's late in the game attempt to throw shade when I posted my initial critique. The MC tweets aren't so bad given full context.

 

[pmbug]

https://x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1852703881802703083