LibertyPAC = 2012 Exploratory Committee; DONATE -- Ron runs IF WE SUPPORT HIM ENOUGH!

Matt Collins

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Gary Johnson is using his 'Our America Initiative' PAC to springboard into the 2012 Presidential Race. He has not formed an exploratory committee but yet he is traveling the country and talking like a candidate, even though he isn't a candidate...yet. Why is he doing this? Because the draconian FEC rules put significant restraints on any candidate or individual who has formed an Exploratory Committee. He understands that his best way to raise support this early in the game is via his PAC. Other likely candidates are doing very similar things (Newt, Romney, Huck, etc).


Ron Paul has a little known Political Action Committee as well. It's called Liberty PAC. http://www.libertypac.com

Do the research and you'll discover that LibertyPAC is funding the hotel for the RP Supporters this upcoming weekend at CPAC. LibertyPAC helped fund Adam Kokesh, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul as well as Justin Amash and John Dennis. You can find more here: http://www.opensecrets.org

As you've seen in the news, Ron is already speaking in Iowa very soon. His grandson-in-law and right-hand-man Jesse Benton has indicated that he'll probably run:

- http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...rongly-Considering-2012-WH-Bid&highlight=iowa
and
- http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Invitation-to-Speak-in-IA-quot&highlight=iowa


Ron has also publicly mentioned that he most likely will not form an exploratory committee this time around but instead jump straight into the campaign (I can't find the link but I remember his quote on it being posted around here somewhere).


What does all of this mean?


Just like Gary Johnson, Ron is already running for President in 2012, just not "officially"... yet. LibertyPAC will be used to support Ron's outreach activities until such time that he announces his candidacy.


Within the next few days, mark my words, the LibertyPAC website will get a facelift. When it does that will be the signal to donate heavily to LibertyPAC so that Ron will be assured of his decision to run for President. If LibertyPAC does not see a massive increase in funds over the next few weeks, it may change Ron's mind away from running a 2012 campaign.



If you give to LibertyPAC what will your money be used for?

LibertyPAC can fund 'issue-specific' mailings, advertising, consultants, polling, administrative expenses, as well as Ron's travel expenses, events, and rallies prior to him starting the 2012 campaign. Again, LibertyPAC will be used as the test buoy for the real campaign. It's kind of like an exploratory committee without all the red tape.




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bobbyw24 said:
"Rip Van Winkle slept for 20 years and woke to find the world had passed him by. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, woke up one morning recently to find that perhaps America has caught up with him."

http://caivn.org/article/2011/02/08/all-signs-indicate-ron-paul-run-president-2012
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From same article:

Within the space of a year, however, the resurgent liberty movement sparked by Ron Paul's presidential bid would form the nucleus of a broad coalition of anti-tax, anti-spending, anti-bailout activists calling themselves the "Tea Party." The spirit and substance of their concerns and public policy agenda would be the most dynamic force in the world of U.S. national politics leading right up to and straight through the 2010 midterm elections. A majority of Americans have finally caught up to the vision that united so many disparate groups around Ron Paul's 2008 message, and now speculation abounds as to the Congressman's plans for 2012.
 
collins, thanks for sharing but how would normal ron paul supporters who don't frequent rpf know libertypac is so influential?
 
1) How much is Liberty PAC allowed to give RP's 2012 presidential campaign?
2) How much are individuals allowed to give Liberty PAC?
3) I assume donations to Liberty PAC that will ultimately go to his POTUS campaign do not count toward the maximum donation to that campaign once individuals start giving directly to it. Correct.
4) Doesn't RP have his own campaign funds separate from Liberty PAC, such as whatever he has leftover from running for Congress that can go 100% to his presidential campaign if he wants? And if so, is there a way to donate to that fund by way of his congressional campaign committee?
 
erowe1 said:
1) How much is Liberty PAC allowed to give RP's 2012 presidential campaign?
2) How much are individuals allowed to give Liberty PAC?
3) I assume donations to Liberty PAC that will ultimately go to his POTUS campaign do not count toward the maximum donation to that campaign once individuals start giving directly to it. Correct.
4) Doesn't RP have his own campaign funds separate from Liberty PAC, such as whatever he has leftover from running for Congress that can go 100% to his presidential campaign if he wants? And if so, is there a way to donate to that fund by way of his congressional campaign committee?
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From WIKI: emp added

Leadership PAC

A leadership PAC in U.S. politics is a political action committee established by a member of Congress to support other candidates. Under the FEC rules, leadership PACs are non-connected PACs, and can accept donations from an individual, business or other PACs. While a leadership PAC cannot spend fund to directly support the campaign of its sponsor (through mail or ads), it may fund travel, administrative expenses, consultants, polling, and other non-campaign expenses. It can also contribute to the campaigns of other candidates.[8][9][10]

Between 2008 and 2009, leadership PACs raised and spent more than $47 million.[11]

[edit] Controversial use of leadership PACs

Speaker Nancy Pelosi's leadership PAC, Team Majority, was fined $21,000 by federal election officials "for improperly accepting donations over federal limits."[12]
Former Rep. John Doolittle's leadership PAC, Superior California Federal Leadership Fund, paid his wife's single-person company, Sierra Dominion Financial Solutions, 15 percent of all money raised ($68,630 in 2003 and 2004, $224,000 in 2005 and 2006). A campaign committee report in February said Doolittle's campaign still owed Julie Doolittle $137,000.[13] The PAC purchased $2,139 in gifts for Bose Corporation.[14]
Former Rep. Richard Pombo used his leadership PAC to pay hotel bills ($22,896) and buy baseball tickets ($320) for donors.[15]
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ronpaulhawaii said:
From WIKI: emp added
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Thanks. So a donation to Liberty PAC =/= a donation to his presidential campaign. It's not necessarily something we want to give millions to if that ends up meaning that people have less to give later (although any extra would end up supporting RP endorsed candidates, which is not a bad cause in itself).

But what about my question #4. Does there still exist a congressional campaign fund that we can donate to, the proceeds of which can go 100% to any future RP campaign for any office? And if so, shouldn't we direct donations that we intend for his POTUS campaign there, rather than Liberty PAC?
 
LibertyPac.com looks to be a new website (made by our friends CanDo).

Anyway, I'd say no moneybomb. Just donate.
 
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