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Liberty vs. Technology: Can they Coexist?
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I haven't read the essay yet, but I will. I too have questioned whether all of this broadening of research will ultimately bring about a collapse of individualism and liberty.
Have you seen Wall-E?? It's amazing; everytime I look around I see people just glued to their cell phones, texting, and there's very little we do to break this cycle. On Wall-E, everyone is zoned out and tuned into whatever they're watching. It's really disturbing, and what's worse is this is very observable just by walking down the street.
Have you seen Wall-E?? It's amazing; everytime I look around I see people just glued to their cell phones, texting, and there's very little we do to break this cycle. On Wall-E, everyone is zoned out and tuned into whatever they're watching. It's really disturbing, and what's worse is this is very observable just by walking down the street.
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Technology makes it easier to live without government. Online classes for homeschooling (kids going to some brick building is so last century), solar cells, water purifiers, composting waste (no more eminent domain for our utilities), home security, online books (good-bye libraries), web MD, fire retardent homes/sprinkler systems, etc...etc...
Technology breeds individual freedom. The more techonologically advanced we become, the more self reliant we will be. With technology providing all the basic necessities we will need government less and less.
Technology breeds individual freedom. The more techonologically advanced we become, the more self reliant we will be. With technology providing all the basic necessities we will need government less and less.
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AbolishTheGovt
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Your answer: http://jim.com/econ/chap07p1.html
Technology enhances individual liberty. Like ants follow chemical trails left by others, individuals online follow social media votes and ratings. A new brain has emerged. It doesn't take eons of evolution through millions of generations to evolve. It is evolving in real time. Every time a new web service comes around the brain evolves. It will evolve in it's own self interest, strengthening the individuals who are a part of it. Social media and the internet have enabled the human super organism.
The effectiveness of exercising individual liberty is experiencing accelerating returns. Indeed, it is what fueled this movement from the start. Take the money bombs or the Ron Paul blimp for example. An idea was put fourth, and with the click of a mouse thousands of individuals brought it to life. Ron Paul blimp was especially exciting because an organization had to be formed.
Promoting, forming and funding an organization online is virtually effortless. Organizations formed that way will become more frequent and more ambitious. Imagine, instead of people working through the government to accomplish ambitious goals, it becomes easier to put fourth the plan on the internet and have individuals make it happen by clicking their mouse.
When the culture becomes mainstream, when everyday people begin using social media to promote ambitious ideas, like the Ron Paul blimp, or a solar farm, wind farm, a political candidate, a new system of government will emerge.
Where is the capital of the Internet? With people using it to organize such huge mutually beneficial projects, where do they go?
Social media sites bring in add revenue. A community could organize an online capital, a social media service, where they promote ambitious ideas, as well as entertain and inform themselves. The online capital would bring in revenue, and through a system of representation similar to our government, they would determine how to spend that money. They would fund projects organized by the community.
The online government would provide ambitious services for free.
Individuals will retain control of their money after they spend it.
The effectiveness of exercising individual liberty is experiencing accelerating returns. Indeed, it is what fueled this movement from the start. Take the money bombs or the Ron Paul blimp for example. An idea was put fourth, and with the click of a mouse thousands of individuals brought it to life. Ron Paul blimp was especially exciting because an organization had to be formed.
Promoting, forming and funding an organization online is virtually effortless. Organizations formed that way will become more frequent and more ambitious. Imagine, instead of people working through the government to accomplish ambitious goals, it becomes easier to put fourth the plan on the internet and have individuals make it happen by clicking their mouse.
When the culture becomes mainstream, when everyday people begin using social media to promote ambitious ideas, like the Ron Paul blimp, or a solar farm, wind farm, a political candidate, a new system of government will emerge.
Where is the capital of the Internet? With people using it to organize such huge mutually beneficial projects, where do they go?
Social media sites bring in add revenue. A community could organize an online capital, a social media service, where they promote ambitious ideas, as well as entertain and inform themselves. The online capital would bring in revenue, and through a system of representation similar to our government, they would determine how to spend that money. They would fund projects organized by the community.
The online government would provide ambitious services for free.
Individuals will retain control of their money after they spend it.
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ronpaulforprez2008
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Sigh.....and these comments are in a Ron Paul forum
We have much work to do.
Argh!
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The inherent problem with any leap forward in any technological aspect such as the introduction of the internet always presents the inevitable double edge sword , so to speak. Although it may seem that the internet is a liberty and freedom promoting tool, its design is intuitively functional for the purposes of data collection both voluntary and involuntary. Everything you have ever typed, every video you have posted and any social network interaction is and will forever remain in data mining storage - later to build an online profile for which a 'web check' will be required to fully bear out these collections.
Google stores every search you make. They store IP / Search Results for one year at which time they say that it is randomized for anonymity.
Obama actually asked potential administration employees to be 'web checked' before hire... this is the future of privacy - where you will have none. Every thing you have placed online will be open to potential employers.
Face Book - 1-out of 3 employers said they used it to screen. People fully volunteer all of their life placed online without any thought. It all can be looked at by the same agencies that can wiretap anybody for no reason whatsoever.
Kinda makes you wonder why they coined the term 'World Wide Web'
Because all I can see is a wholesale delivery and storage of millions of human beings personal data that can come back against them in the future - including this post.
Google stores every search you make. They store IP / Search Results for one year at which time they say that it is randomized for anonymity.
Obama actually asked potential administration employees to be 'web checked' before hire... this is the future of privacy - where you will have none. Every thing you have placed online will be open to potential employers.
Face Book - 1-out of 3 employers said they used it to screen. People fully volunteer all of their life placed online without any thought. It all can be looked at by the same agencies that can wiretap anybody for no reason whatsoever.
Kinda makes you wonder why they coined the term 'World Wide Web'
Because all I can see is a wholesale delivery and storage of millions of human beings personal data that can come back against them in the future - including this post.
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Yes they can coexist
Yeah I didn't read the whole thing but just scanned it (sorry), since it sounds pretty bunk anyways.
Technology is not inherently bad or anti-liberty at all, only when big government swells into being does technology become a problem. Well even then its not the source of a problem, the government is, technology just being its tool. Its tax payers who fund the surveillance state and military industrial complex, not that they would if they had a choice in the matter.
To blame technology itself seems to broil down to the thought that 'guns kill people'.
No they don't, people kill people. Big government should be viewed as an anti-social monopoly only seeking to maintain its power and pelf through force, no shit such a creature is going to use technology just like the rest of us.
Get cracking then and post something of substance.
Yeah I didn't read the whole thing but just scanned it (sorry), since it sounds pretty bunk anyways.
Technology is not inherently bad or anti-liberty at all, only when big government swells into being does technology become a problem. Well even then its not the source of a problem, the government is, technology just being its tool. Its tax payers who fund the surveillance state and military industrial complex, not that they would if they had a choice in the matter.
To blame technology itself seems to broil down to the thought that 'guns kill people'.
No they don't, people kill people. Big government should be viewed as an anti-social monopoly only seeking to maintain its power and pelf through force, no shit such a creature is going to use technology just like the rest of us.
Sigh.....and these comments are in a Ron Paul forum
We have much work to do.
Get cracking then and post something of substance.
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I think the best idea out there to balance technology and liberty is the venus project. Technology only to assist us, meet our basic needs, and to free us up so we don't have to work.
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Sigh.....and these comments are in a Ron Paul forum
We have much work to do.
Argh!
Um, what?
These were pro-market responses and one guy quoted from one of the greatest books ever written.
I think you're on the wrong forum.
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Just try to capture the meaning of the following paragraph, especially
the bolded part. Let me know what you think is being said here.... then
let me know if you still think I'm the one on the wrong forum.
"There is no distinct line between "guidance" or "influence" and manipulation. When
a technique of influence becomes so effective that is achieves its desired effect in
nearly every case, then it is no longer influence but compulsion. Thus influence
evolves into compulsion as science improves technique."
What your saying is we're all robots. I completely agree. What happens when the science is widely understood, and robots program robots?
a technique of influence becomes so effective that is achieves its desired effect in
nearly every case, then it is no longer influence but compulsion. Thus influence
evolves into compulsion as science improves technique."
What your saying is we're all robots. I completely agree. What happens when the science is widely understood, and robots program robots?
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