Liberty President Trump's thoughts on civil asset forfeiture reform

[Superfluous Man]

Even Trump supporters know better than to back him on this one on the RPF's.

Given them time. We'll see some of them, complete with handles incorporating variations on the word "liberty," in here to remind us that the "low IQ thugs" don't deserve their money.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well he's talking about ending the career of one of the few elected officials to share the views of Rand and Amash. Its the stuff of nightmares for liberty activists. Hillary trying that would have just helped our guys.

To what end?

Don't you think Rand or Ron would have been subjected to equal amounts of hate and vitriol?

Always keep in mind, most people hate freedom and do not want it.

Secession, now.

I don't have any good answers past that, I really don't.

I know I don't care for Trump based on stances like this, but I do know I like many of his actions so far to reign in the regulatory state.

I know I loathe most of the people out in the streets protesting against him.

So I'm left with any number of unpalatable options, as is usually the case when considering a position in the dog's vomit of a mess that is US politics.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

without a conviction, its plain theft. trump fucked up here.

 

[spudea]

Un $#@!ing acceptable.

should the practice be banned completely? Or is the main concern when innocent people get screwed?

 

[Superfluous Man]

should the practice be banned completely?

Yes. Obviously.

 

[dannno]

should the practice be banned completely? Or is the main concern when innocent people get screwed?

Hmm, there might be some justifiable reason for it in a small minority of cases, if so I'm guessing probably less than 1% of the cases.

Most of the time they are stealing property from drug dealers, they figure they made the money to buy the property by dealing drugs. That's bad enough from a liberty perspective, but next thing you know, they find a half gram of herb under some guy's car seat and they steal his $20k car, because clearly he bought a $20k car by driving around selling weed in $10 increments.. Or they find $1500 in cash and they steal it because they thought they were drug dealers or something and they never prosecute them for a crime and keep the money. These are the really egregious cases, but even stealing from a drug dealer is wrong.

 

[William Tell]

To what end?

Don't you think Rand or Ron would have been subjected to equal amounts of hate and vitriol?

Here's my point. With Obama or Hillary, attacks on the few liberty politicians from them only makes the liberty guys more popular with red district voters. If Hillary said she wanted to end the career of a state senator, the senator would have raised an extra million $ and won reelection in a landslide.

Trump on the other hand, as leader of team red can potentially oust Rand, Amash, the good guys in my state and the good guys in your state. That's bad. Although on the federal level we haven't changed foreign policy, and we have plenty of reasons to complain, the few good things on the state level like Constitutional Carry, Asset Forfeiture repeal etc would not even have been discussed in the legislatures let alone implemented in the states they have been.

Regardless of how much the public hates or loves freedom, Constitutional Carry is the law now in about 10 states, and some states not sure how many have banned civil forfeiture. A republican president who messes in state races could turn things the other way.

 

[Dr.3D]

Must be somebody found a way to violate the Fifth Amendment and have the government court give it's approval.

 

[silverhandorder]

Interesting need to think about this.

My first reaction is that I don't agree with Trump on the issue. I do agree with him on destroying anyone who stands in his way tho.

 

[fisharmor]

should the practice be banned completely? Or is the main concern when innocent people get screwed?

You can't have civil asset forfeiture if you don't have cops.

It's a simple and elegant solution to all sorts of problems.

 

[jllundqu]

Interesting need to think about this.

My first reaction is that I don't agree with Trump on the issue. I do agree with him on destroying anyone who stands in his way tho.

My first reaction is that I don't agree with Trump on the issue. I do agree with him on destroying anyone who stands in his way tho

My first reaction is that I don't agree with Trump on the issue. I do agree with him on destroying anyone who stands in his way tho

My first reaction is that I don't agree with Trump on the issue. I do agree with him on destroying anyone who stands in his way tho

FOR LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!!! SMDH

 

[silverhandorder]

Yes. Trump's movement done more for liberty than last 100 years.

 

[Cleaner44]

This is a very good example of the shitty side of Trump. He is a major "law and order" type of guy that believes in crap like stop and frisk and asset forfeiture. Not much of an expert on the Constitution.

 

[CPUd]

 

[phill4paul]

Interesting need to think about this.

My first reaction is that I don't agree with Trump on the issue. I do agree with him on destroying anyone who stands in his way tho.

Don't hurt yourself.

 

[William Tell]

should the practice be banned completely? Or is the main concern when innocent people get screwed?

Hmm, there might be some justifiable reason for it in a small minority of cases, if so I'm guessing probably less than 1% of the cases.

No, it should be completely and entirely banned. Civil Forfeiture is a guilty until proven innocent scheme. They basically assert that your car, money, antique painting, cat food bowl etc was involved in a crime and won't give it back unless you prove it wasn't.

Some states have banned it, which doesn't mean they have banned the government from taking stuff. They just require you to actually be convicted before they take it (criminal asset forfeiture).

 

[CPUd]

 

[jllundqu]

I can just SMELL the freedom.

 

[nikcers]

This is a very good example of the $#@!ty side of Trump. He is a major "law and order" type of guy that believes in crap like stop and frisk and asset forfeiture. Not much of an expert on the Constitution.

Running out of positive spins here, I think he will kick the Japanese PM's ass at golf. That's something to be proud of in a president right?

 

[Dr.3D]

Running out of positive spins here, I think he will kick the Japanese PM's ass at golf. That's something to be proud of in a president right?

Makes me wonder how Trump is at playing Ping Pong.