Liberty For All Super PAC to Play Serious Role in Bentivolio Race

Spoa said:
Tom McClintock is definitely on our side. Read my post here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...cClintock-A-True-Fighter&highlight=mcclintock
He voted to end the war in Afghanistan, opposed the NDAA (voted for the Smith-Amash amendment), voted against CISPA, opposed SOPA/PIPA, and opposed reauthorization of the Patriot Act. I mean, he gets an A+ on every aspect of this liberty movement, in my opinion. Here are the links:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll066.xml Patriot Act (see his name under "NAY")
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml CISPA (see his name under "NAY)
The two other links show his oppositions to the war in Afghanistan and his support for the Smith-Amash amendment. So I definitely think he is on our side.

On Jeff Flake, I agree that he isn't the best, but he is better than his opponent in the race.

The ones I listed aren't 100% on the liberty side, but they at least are willing to listen to our side (unlike people like Cantor, Upton, McCarthy, and others who want us to just shut up.). They are so close to being on our side that they are potential allies (like Demint and Lee).
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He is now, but he wasn't always, I am from California. I specifically recall him saying Ron didn't have the 'stature' to be presidential nominee, and then turning around and asking for Ron's endorsement in 2008 (and getting it, Ron is a saint.) But Flake in particular I wouldn't want our name associated with to be honest, given his lack of civil liberties record. I'm not sure the PAC's slant on things, and if it feels more Club for Growth than I am, it might be fine with Flake, but I'm not. I think he knows better and voted that way anyhow to play the game and I find that very dangerous.
 
sailingaway said:
He is now, but he wasn't always, I am from California. I specifically recall him saying Ron didn't have the 'stature' to be presidential nominee, and then turning around and asking for Ron's endorsement in 2008 (and getting it, Ron is a saint.) But Flake in particular I wouldn't want our name associated with to be honest, given his lack of civil liberties record. I'm not sure the PAC's slant on things, and if it feels more Club for Growth than I am, it might be fine with Flake, but I'm not. I think he knows better and voted that way anyhow to play the game and I find that very dangerous.
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I'm very big on fiscal issues, so I like both Flake and McClintock a lot. I won't associate their names with the movement, but they remain some of my favorite. That's just my opinion. We all have the right to disagree with each other (just think...even the signers of the Constitution couldn't agree on everything :) )
 
Thank you!

Not to be greedy, but we have two important House runoffs in Texas coming up in the form of Steve Stockman and Wes Riddle as well.
 
GeorgiaAvenger said:
Thank you!

Not to be greedy, but we have two important House runoffs in Texas coming up in the form of Steve Stockman and Wes Riddle as well.
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Agree completely! These are two races that are sure pick-ups for the GOP...now if we can only make sure that these pick-ups are for the liberty movement.

(Note to those who don't know: Stockman was a close buddy of Ron Paul during his time in congress and Riddle has received Ron Paul's endorsement. Stockman's opponent is a vague one with no real positions and Riddle's opponent is an establishment bailout supporter.)
 
Where's the usual suspects to bitch that they should spend their money elsewhere on the "more electable?"

Snark aside, this is FANTASTIC NEWS!!!
 
I was absolutely elated when I got the email announcing that Rand Paul had endorsed Bentivolio. That's a pretty gutsy thing, considering that Bentivolio isn't a proven politician.
 
sailingaway said:
He is now, but he wasn't always, I am from California. I specifically recall him saying Ron didn't have the 'stature' to be presidential nominee, and then turning around and asking for Ron's endorsement in 2008 (and getting it, Ron is a saint.) But Flake in particular I wouldn't want our name associated with to be honest, given his lack of civil liberties record. I'm not sure the PAC's slant on things, and if it feels more Club for Growth than I am, it might be fine with Flake, but I'm not. I think he knows better and voted that way anyhow to play the game and I find that very dangerous.
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Yeah, I agree. Absolutely.
 
sailingaway said:
But Flake in particular I wouldn't want our name associated with to be honest, given his lack of civil liberties record. I'm not sure the PAC's slant on things, and if it feels more Club for Growth than I am, it might be fine with Flake, but I'm not. I think he knows better and voted that way anyhow to play the game and I find that very dangerous.
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It's true that Flake supports the Patriot Act and NDAA, and he isn't the non-interventionist we would like him to be. This is why Ron Paul Nation has never really rallied behind him. But on pretty much every single other issue, he is a Ron Paul Republican and an independent. You could even argue that Flake is more fiscally conservative than Ron Paul. There have been many instances where Flake and Paul have voted no alone together, for example Sarbanes-Oxley.

The most important thing about Flake IMO is that he compiled his amazing conservative record during 8 years of George W. Bush. Some of these new guys worry me. Sure, they are amazing constitutional conservatives now with a Democrat in the White House, but what happens if a Republican takes over? I have faith in the pure statesmen like Amash and Massie. But guys like McClintock, Broun, Riddle, Cruz, Mack, DeMint, Lee... these guys I sort of expect them to change their voting habits, at least a little, under a GOP administration. They still have a lot to prove.

Flake seems like the guy who may fall victim to the temptations of the old boy's club in the Senate. But because of his record, I do not actually expect this; I expect him to continue doing in the Senate what he did so well in the House during both the Bush and Obama years.
 
kathy88 said:
Where's the usual suspects to bitch that they should spend their money elsewhere on the "more electable?"

Snark aside, this is FANTASTIC NEWS!!!
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What? Bentivolio is one of the most electable candidates we have in 2012. Now, that may be due to his unique district/ballot access situation more than anything else, but I'll take it...
 
AJ Antimony said:
It's true that Flake supports the Patriot Act and NDAA, and he isn't the non-interventionist we would like him to be. This is why Ron Paul Nation has never really rallied behind him. But on pretty much every single other issue, he is a Ron Paul Republican and an independent. You could even argue that Flake is more fiscally conservative than Ron Paul. There have been many instances where Flake and Paul have voted no alone together, for example Sarbanes-Oxley.
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Without those things I don't see how you can be considered a Ron Paul Republican at all. You are merely more fiscally conservative than some.
 
sailingaway said:
Without those things I don't see how you can be considered a Ron Paul Republican at all. You are merely more fiscally conservative than some.
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I wasn't calling him a Ron Paul Republican. I was saying he was a RPR on some issues, and not on others. Obviously he's not a Ron Paul Republican.
 
AJ Antimony said:
I wasn't calling him a Ron Paul Republican. I was saying he was a RPR on some issues, and not on others. Obviously he's not a Ron Paul Republican.
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which makes me think this pac has some other criteria than Ron Paul Republicanism for funding candidates. Or they were persuaded by people who left out what seem to me to be pretty key facts.
 
Can someone help me out with this. The internet says Flake voted no on NDAA. Am I missing something?

LINK
 
AJ Antimony said:
It's true that Flake supports the Patriot Act and NDAA, and he isn't the non-interventionist we would like him to be. This is why Ron Paul Nation has never really rallied behind him. But on pretty much every single other issue, he is a Ron Paul Republican and an independent. You could even argue that Flake is more fiscally conservative than Ron Paul. There have been many instances where Flake and Paul have voted no alone together, for example Sarbanes-Oxley.

The most important thing about Flake IMO is that he compiled his amazing conservative record during 8 years of George W. Bush. Some of these new guys worry me. Sure, they are amazing constitutional conservatives now with a Democrat in the White House, but what happens if a Republican takes over? I have faith in the pure statesmen like Amash and Massie. But guys like McClintock, Broun, Riddle, Cruz, Mack, DeMint, Lee... these guys I sort of expect them to change their voting habits, at least a little, under a GOP administration. They still have a lot to prove.

Flake seems like the guy who may fall victim to the temptations of the old boy's club in the Senate. But because of his record, I do not actually expect this; I expect him to continue doing in the Senate what he did so well in the House during both the Bush and Obama years.
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I agree with a lot of this post. Flake has some issues on foreign policy and police state, but the fiscal restraint and principle is impressive. It says a lot that he bucked GWB.

I think you can trust McClintock to do the right thing. He's always voting against the GOP from the right and I put him on the same pedestal as Paul and Amash.
 
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