Liberty Card: Anything you would change?

But it also does not grant you permission to do so.

And you could have easily asked him, which is common sense 101.



There is nothing preventing you from coming up with a different design. You can be competitive without blatantly copying his product.

His prices were higher than yours, but he has also been using those profits for pro-Ron Paul projects. I don't feel ripped off one bit.

We're all doing pro-Ron Paul projects. He was marking the cards up 100% from what I assume is his cost. That is unreasonable to me.

The solution is that I change the design and move on. Corey Stern can go back to selling his cards at a ridiculous markup at that point if he so chooses.

Again I'll say it, I'm just glad I provoked his price cuts. Someone had to do it, and if it cost me $500 to make his cards more attainable, so be it.
 
It's kinda odd you consider his 100% markup so ridiculous yet you were only willing to undercut his prices by 12-20%

So you are still making 80% profit? I suppose that's 4/5ths as ridiculous.
 
The profits I have from LibertyCard.org go to:

#1 - I advertise on Google and you don't. I've literally spent over $1,200 on Google advertising. These ads also help with Ron's name recognition. I have over 7 million impressions with the ads. His visibility will be cut my ads back since I am cutting my prices lower than yours.

#2 - I advertise on FreeTalkLive.com in the 3rd banner. This costs money too. This isn't free. At the same time I help a pro-liberty radio show get out to more people.

#3 - I wanted to contribute a large amount to the campaign with this money and I have. When the next FEC records come out it will show I've donated $2000. How much have you donated sir?

#4 - There are also PayPal fees of 3% so this is also a small fee people do not take under consideration.

#5 - I also do ads on eBay which do have fees. Sometimes I sell the cards for less so it's at a loss.

#6 - Those evil "profits" also went to $800 of campaign materials (1,000 bumper stickers, 200 yard signs and materials for the Ron Paul Revolution stencils and banners) for the Minnesota Ron Paul chapter.. This is a huge help since many people can't afford to buy these items in bulk. I can with the profits from the website. I also pay the MeetUp fees every month. Here's our MeetUp: http://ronpaul.meetup.com/55/

#7 - The big fee is taxes. They will take about 40% from me at the end of the year. That's bigger than any PayPal or eBay fee. That's why we need to elect Ron!!

#8 - Every year I always give to charity including ProLife Across America, Sharing & Caring Hands in Minneapolis, Downsize DC, The Advocates for Self Government, the Liberty Education Fund, and other pro-liberty organizations. I easily donate $1000-$2000 a year.

I could just as easily drop the whole project and go make a ton of money doing other things. I have part-time work that I declined in order to help this campaign. I just don't do cards, but I also am the Organizer of my Ron Paul MeetUp in Minnesota. I set up events, send press releases about local events and news, help organize events like the straw poll here in Minnesota where he placed third. I was at the Vans Warped Tour passing out FREE Ron Paul Liberty Cards. I was at the MN State Fair and gave away 5,000 Ron Paul Cards. I do a lot to help Ron.

I hope that you believe in profits and charity. If you don't then you shouldn't support Ron Paul. This is important, otherwise you can't keep an operation going. But this is exactly what I've done and I am very proud of it.

What I would strongly suggest is keep your website up. I believe in competition. But just don't rip off my art. You directly ripped off the layout on the card. All I ask is you significantly change the card. Make it your own.
 
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It's kinda odd you consider his 100% markup so ridiculous yet you were only willing to undercut his prices by 12-20%

So you are still making 80% profit? I suppose that's 4/5ths as ridiculous.

My markup was between 10% and 18%; your math isn't correct.

Example: We both sell a product that costs us $10. You sell the product for $20, I sell it for $15. My price is 25% less, but my PROFIT is 50% less.

And as for this little mishap, it has all been solved aside from the forum. Corey and I are both happy with the outcome.
 
We had our off-line discussions and worked it out. I think there was some miscommunication. He'll keep doing his thing, but will change up his card in a while.

I do include the Ron Paul Library link and FreeMe.TV since they do a super job and are good for people new to Ron. But I also wanted a link for activists. In fact, several people actually asked me to include the RP forums on the card since this is such a central place for activism. You're the first one to ask me to remove it. Are you the owner of this website? Just let me know.
 
We had our off-line discussions and worked it out. I think there was some miscommunication. He'll keep doing his thing, but will change up his card in a while.

I do include the Ron Paul Library link and FreeMe.TV since they do a super job and are good for people new to Ron. But I also wanted a link for activists. In fact, several people actually asked me to include the RP forums on the card since this is such a central place for activism. You're the first one to ask me to remove it. Are you the owner of this website? Just let me know.

Others have mentioned that it shouldn't be on the cards in other threads. I've seen at least 10 mentions. These forums are often very negative, and not a good place to be sending new converts or people looking for info on RP.

I'd certainly prefer if the cards didn't reference the forums.
 
Some thoughts

Here are some thoughts I wrote to Corey Stern also, about the sort of card I'd like to have to hand out in my community, which is mostly left-liberal. (I was a hereditary and lifelong Peace & Freedom liberal Democrat until the early 1980s, when a political epiphany turned me libertarian; I voted for Ron Paul -- and had the pleasure of meeting him -- in 1988, but haven't bothered to vote since. Until this sudden explosion of interest caught my attention; maybe there's some hope after all. Though chronic illness considerably limits my activity, I have been spending quite a lot of time and energy on Ron Paul lately.)

My idea is to appeal to the largest cross-spectrum of people, as I believe Ron Paul's real, core position does, without instantly turning off either "conservatives" or "liberals"; thus I wouldn't initially mention "polarizing" issues like abortion, drug legalization, etc., but concentrate on those, such as opposition to the Iraq War, that will capture people's attention enough so they'll at least look.

Leaving out such issues is not dishonest, in my view, because in fact Dr. Paul is a "one-issue" candidate: he wants to return to the Constitution, and all his "positions" derive from that single stance. Once people begin to understand his reliance on the Constitution, they can begin to accept that even positions with which they initially may not be comfortable must follow logically from that stance. IF they're not turned off before they even have an opportunity to hear about the Constitution.

So: For the text on the front of the card, I'd suggest something like this:

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PEACE - FREEDOM - PROSPERITY
Ron Paul is the Constitutional candidate for President. A 10-term U.S. Congressman, he is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation's capital. Ron Paul works for limited, Constitutional government, to protect civil liberties and privacy, and for free markets and sound money. He has never voted to raise taxes or to expand the power of the presidency. He has consistently voted against the Iraq War, the USA PATRIOT Act, the Real ID Act, and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, and against regulating the Internet.
-----------------------------------------------

And on the flip side, I don't think the statistics about how Dr. Paul is winning straw polls, etc., are all that useful; at best they appeal only to the herd instinct. Also, as some have noted, all this stuff changes so fast that by the time it's printed it's out of date. I would prefer to see some substantial information about what Ron Paul intends to do, like the following (adapted from the official "slim jim" flyer):

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A Ron Paul Presidency will:
* bring our troops home from Iraq and end no-win "police actions".
* protect our privacy and stop the national ID card.
* protect our constitutional rights and end the PATRIOT Act.
* abolish the IRS and let Americans keep more of their own money.
* stop the central bankers' "inflation tax".
* stop unconstitutional spending leading us to bankruptcy.
* stop America's financial dependency on China, Saudi Arabia, and other foreign governments.
* oppose trade deals and organizations that threaten American independence (GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, NAU, WTO, ICC, UN, etc.).
* secure America's borders and end illegal immigration.
-----------------------------------------------

I have designed this list for widest appeal. Thus, I've put Iraq first because it's the #1 issue that can get -- has gotten -- Dr. Paul instant attention across the political spectrum. War hardliners aren't going to hear him anyway, but everyone else is starving for this message/promise. The rest of the list covers the major points of Dr. Paul's platform in a way designed to appeal to the broadest spectrum, leaving behind outdated categories like "conservative" or "liberal".

Websites: I'd leave off the Forums, which as some posters have noted is not really a good place to direct people who are new to Ron Paul. As for the live radio and audios, people will find their way to those once they become interested. I'd say the same for the Meetup site as well. The purpose of the cards is to excite interest, not to organize volunteers. YouTube is a good place to introduce people to Ron Paul, and of course the enthusiasm of the video makers is infectious; however, I think it's best to send people first to the "official" list: YouTube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom to see the best, non-confusing offerings. (For instance, right now this page is featuring the great "Ron Paul Brings People Together" video.)
 
I also ordered some of these cards about 2 weeks ago, but I have yet to receive them nor have I heard anything about the status of my shipment.
 
I paypaled this guy 4 bucks once. He said he owned a shirt store and that he was printing a small run of ron paul shirts for whoever was interested. just 4 bucks for shipping is what he requested.

I never got the shirt.

It was just four bucks, so I let it go. But after reading these two incidents and the whole card scandal I have to wonder about his business ethics.
 
Some needs to get the BIG $2300 order and break it into smaller lots and sell them on Ebay, this free market approach would force others who are gauging Ron Paul supporters to LOWER there prices
 
Here are some thoughts I wrote to Corey Stern also, about the sort of card I'd like to have to hand out in my community, which is mostly left-liberal. (I was a hereditary and lifelong Peace & Freedom liberal Democrat until the early 1980s, when a political epiphany turned me libertarian; I voted for Ron Paul -- and had the pleasure of meeting him -- in 1988, but haven't bothered to vote since. Until this sudden explosion of interest caught my attention; maybe there's some hope after all. Though chronic illness considerably limits my activity, I have been spending quite a lot of time and energy on Ron Paul lately.)

My idea is to appeal to the largest cross-spectrum of people, as I believe Ron Paul's real, core position does, without instantly turning off either "conservatives" or "liberals"; thus I wouldn't initially mention "polarizing" issues like abortion, drug legalization, etc., but concentrate on those, such as opposition to the Iraq War, that will capture people's attention enough so they'll at least look.

Leaving out such issues is not dishonest, in my view, because in fact Dr. Paul is a "one-issue" candidate: he wants to return to the Constitution, and all his "positions" derive from that single stance. Once people begin to understand his reliance on the Constitution, they can begin to accept that even positions with which they initially may not be comfortable must follow logically from that stance. IF they're not turned off before they even have an opportunity to hear about the Constitution.

So: For the text on the front of the card, I'd suggest something like this:

-----------------------------------------------
PEACE - FREEDOM - PROSPERITY
Ron Paul is the Constitutional candidate for President. A 10-term U.S. Congressman, he is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation's capital. Ron Paul works for limited, Constitutional government, to protect civil liberties and privacy, and for free markets and sound money. He has never voted to raise taxes or to expand the power of the presidency. He has consistently voted against the Iraq War, the USA PATRIOT Act, the Real ID Act, and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, and against regulating the Internet.
-----------------------------------------------

And on the flip side, I don't think the statistics about how Dr. Paul is winning straw polls, etc., are all that useful; at best they appeal only to the herd instinct. Also, as some have noted, all this stuff changes so fast that by the time it's printed it's out of date. I would prefer to see some substantial information about what Ron Paul intends to do, like the following (adapted from the official "slim jim" flyer):

-----------------------------------------------
A Ron Paul Presidency will:
* bring our troops home from Iraq and end no-win "police actions".
* protect our privacy and stop the national ID card.
* protect our constitutional rights and end the PATRIOT Act.
* abolish the IRS and let Americans keep more of their own money.
* stop the central bankers' "inflation tax".
* stop unconstitutional spending leading us to bankruptcy.
* stop America's financial dependency on China, Saudi Arabia, and other foreign governments.
* oppose trade deals and organizations that threaten American independence (GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, NAU, WTO, ICC, UN, etc.).
* secure America's borders and end illegal immigration.
-----------------------------------------------

I have designed this list for widest appeal. Thus, I've put Iraq first because it's the #1 issue that can get -- has gotten -- Dr. Paul instant attention across the political spectrum. War hardliners aren't going to hear him anyway, but everyone else is starving for this message/promise. The rest of the list covers the major points of Dr. Paul's platform in a way designed to appeal to the broadest spectrum, leaving behind outdated categories like "conservative" or "liberal".

Websites: I'd leave off the Forums, which as some posters have noted is not really a good place to direct people who are new to Ron Paul. As for the live radio and audios, people will find their way to those once they become interested. I'd say the same for the Meetup site as well. The purpose of the cards is to excite interest, not to organize volunteers. YouTube is a good place to introduce people to Ron Paul, and of course the enthusiasm of the video makers is infectious; however, I think it's best to send people first to the "official" list: YouTube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom to see the best, non-confusing offerings. (For instance, right now this page is featuring the great "Ron Paul Brings People Together" video.)

can all this fit on a business card? If you can give me the finished graphic I will step up and do the BIG order with my Amex.
 
It would be nice to get some in spanish

It would be nice to get them in spanish for places like here in Miami... There are a lot of spanish speaking republicans down here...

Anthony
 
I received my cards in the mail this weekend. They totally rock! Great design and professional quality.
 
Some needs to get the BIG $2300 order and break it into smaller lots and sell them on Ebay, this free market approach would force others who are gauging Ron Paul supporters to LOWER there prices

If anyone wants to buy 50,000 cards for just $1000 you may resell them on eBay. I have no problem with that, and I'd encourage that. In fact, if you read this message I'll give you FREE shipping on it. I'll make sure to refund the $100 shipping fee. Just mention the "Ron Paul Forums Offer".

Corey

www.LibertyCard.org
 
I also ordered some of these cards about 2 weeks ago, but I have yet to receive them nor have I heard anything about the status of my shipment.

When you order on www.LibertyCard.org I ship them within 48 business hours and they should be received in 1 week on most orders. Plus get lower prices, free Ron Paul bumper stickers and quiz cards. I'm making this an unbeatable offer.

Corey
 
I received my liberty cards quickly and have been distributing them all over the place. In fact I have one in my pocket right now.
 
Some needs to get the BIG $2300 order and break it into smaller lots and sell them on Ebay, this free market approach would force others who are gauging Ron Paul supporters to LOWER there prices

I wouldn't say we are"gauging" anybody. Profit shouldn't be a dirty word. We make a lot of sacrifices. We work hard, put ourselves financially at risk by printing large quantities, and provide a service and product that is desperately needed.

If you want to compete, go for it. Just create a card that is unique and your own look and brand. In fact, I'd recommend that someone creates a card, or brochure in Spanish or other ideas. We have about 90 days left to hit the streets. Let's do it!
 
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