Libertarians to the Left, Libertarians to the Right

[nikcers]

The last election cycle was put to us as a lesser of evils. The retarded, drunk, DEI slut candidate, or the reality TV comedian.

So what would have happened if the retarded, drunk, DEI slut candidate had won?

Feel free to list the differences.

The balance of power in the world would be significantly different. Trump has positively positioned us to be secure.

The difference wouldn't be felt initially it but its impact would effect our entire way of life.

The biggest impact would be trade and the economy and then national security.

They would probably play it off as climate change.

They would tell the masses that they need to lock down the economy for climate change- all "non essential business" would be illegal.

Student loan debt would be canceled and paid for by increased taxes.

Electricity would be cut off 16 hours of every day. They would say they are doing it for climate change.

Store shells would be looted and then empty - many goods would be out of stock permanently.

-Trans everything

- boys in girls sports

- English no longer the official language

-open borders

-millions of migrants that vote Democrat ensuring a democrat majority for a generation

- Rising costs of groceries, housing, medical, staples like meat and eggs would be doubled and there would be shortages and empty shelves

-Americans forced to eat bugs for protein, Kamala says its for climate change

-Packed Supreme Court, 11 progressive DEI judges

-Gas cars banned climate change blamed -all gas stations close down

-China dictates global trade- forces new world order- western countries and English speaking world loses autonomy- all transactions pay a tax to China - Kamala calls it a climate change tax

 

[otherone]

Yep, hard for Kamala to entertain the entire nation all at once.

You've won the internet for today!

 

[jmdrake]

The last election cycle was put to us as a lesser of evils. The retarded, drunk, DEI slut candidate, or the reality TV comedian.

So what would have happened if the retarded, drunk, DEI slut candidate had won?

Feel free to list the differences.

If you were talking about Trump 45 I would agree with you. That's why I didn't bother voting this past election. But I didn't have this on my 2025 bingo card.

4 charged after anti-ICE protest outside Chicago facility erupts in violence

Four anti-ICE protestors have been criminally charged for assaulting and resisting federal officials outside a Chicago ICE facility Saturday as part of ongoing protests.

abcnews.go.com

Masked federal agents disarming and arresting protestors who were legally carrying guns? I backed the armed protestors that stood with white rancher Clive Bundy. I backed the armed white Michigan protestors who stood up to Gretchen Whitmere. And now that (some) legally armed black protestors are standing up to Trump's ICE....crickets.

 

[PAF]

You've won the internet for today!

When am I going to win??? Between you evil-repugs and the evil-dems I can't win for losing! Even on "Ron Paul" forums!

 

[CCTelander]

When am I going to win??? Between you evil-repugs and the evil-dems I can't win for losing! Even on "Ron Paul" forums!

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No win for you, brother.

Liberty just isn’t on the menu, either in the political world or here on RPFs. The only choices offered are which flavor of oppression you prefer.

Best thing to do then is not play the game.

And the best thing to do with troll threads like this is ignore them. It really bothers the trolls who start them.

 

[acptulsa]

And the best thing to do with troll threads like this is ignore them. It really bothers the trolls who start them.

He can count on the bot to play along.

 

[CaptUSA]

Don't blame me. I didn't vote. I didn't even support or not support Rand Paul.

It's people like @CaptUSA and @otherone who are indoctrinated, and can't think on their own without someone like Massie saying it first. And even then, you have the rest of 'Merika who are completely oblivious, because of said indoctrination schools.

When the hearts and minds change, so will society. Until then, all people like that do is tow the statist line. You can tell by how they regurgitate whatever the politician/state tells them, up to and including "solutions" concerning other human beings. Palantir thanks them for their support.

WTF are you even talking about??! You're creating weird strawmen and caricatures based off your own prejudgments and misunderstandings. It's like you've created these weird misguided concoctions in your tiny little brain and then spend your time labeling people and then arguing with YOUR OWN label of them. How very... uh libertarian??

 

[otherone]

WTF are you even talking about??! You're creating weird strawmen and caricatures based off your own prejudgments and misunderstandings. It's like you've created these weird misguided concoctions in your tiny little brain and then spend your time labeling people and then arguing with YOUR OWN label of them. How very... uh libertarian??

They don't want conversation. They want a food fight.
My concern is that the notion of individual liberty was developed, or realized, by centuries of western thought, and even then, somewhat recently in human history. I believe it to be the rational, moral conclusion, drawn from thousands of years of christianity and enlightened thought. It is not man's "natural state", as anarchists believe. Shoot me. Man's natural state is hierarchy, in my opinion. Liberty, though western in origin, certainly can be shared by those from non-western cultures, although those cultures themselves are antithetical to it. Open Borders will extinguish it.

 

[PAF]

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No win for you, brother.

Liberty just isn’t on the menu, either in the political world or here on RPFs. The only choices offered are which flavor of oppression you prefer.

Best thing to do then is not play the game.

And the best thing to do with troll threads like this is ignore them. It really bothers the trolls who start them.

I just don't want passers-by to read something anti-liberty, it goes unchallenged, and the passer-by becomes misled. Other than that

 

[acptulsa]

My concern is that the notion of individual liberty was developed, or realized, by centuries of western thought, and even then, somewhat recently in human history. I believe it to be the rational, moral conclusion, drawn from thousands of years of christianity and enlightened thought. It is not man's "natural state", as anarchists believe. Shoot me. Man's natural state is hierarchy, in my opinion.

And I say Benjamin Franklin cribbed it off of his new neighbors.

"It would be a very strange Thing, if six Nations of Ignorant Savages should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous; and who cannot be supposed to want an equal Understanding of their Interests."--B. Franklin

 

[otherone]

And I say Benjamin Franklin cribbed it iff if his new neighbors.

"It would be a very strange Thing, if six Nations of Ignorant Savages should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous; and who cannot be supposed to want an equal Understanding of their Interests."--B. Franklin

That's a valid point. The Iroquois achieved Liberty in (presumably) a natural state, how it was achieved by them, I don't know. And of course, we see what the arrival of institutional hierarchy brought them. And yes, I know we don't have "liberty" in the US now. My point is it's not popular among even westerners....they silenced Ron Paul...how can it thrive when the message is even further shouted down by those who can't even conceive of it?

 

[PAF]

That's a valid point. The Iroquois achieved Liberty in (presumably) a natural state, how it was achieved by them, I don't know. And of course, we see what the arrival of institutional hierarchy brought them. And yes, I know we don't have "liberty" in the US now. My point is it's not popular among even westerners....they silenced Ron Paul...how can it thrive when the message is even further shouted down by those who can't even conceive of it?

Ron Paul didn't want to get elected to the Congress because he thought that it would help aid the political arena, he did it because he wanted to talk about things like Austrian Economics, the Fed, actual freedom and liberty. It was the same during his presidential runs - he wanted a platform of which to speak.

Ron Paul, Tom Massie, the folks at the Mises Institute are about educating people which the public government schools don't do. The mentioned are the ones who will tell you that noncompliance is the way to effectively affect change - not by voting in a members only club. That's not to say that one shouldn't vote if they feel that they should, or local elections where your voice might be heard a little more among the politicians who seek power.

Anyway, IMO, it's up to each one of us to spread the messages of liberty, not compromise, bend and/or sacrifice our principles/values just for political purposes.

/end high horse

 

[jmdrake]

They don't want conversation. They want a food fight.
My concern is that the notion of individual liberty was developed, or realized, by centuries of western thought, and even then, somewhat recently in human history. I believe it to be the rational, moral conclusion, drawn from thousands of years of christianity and enlightened thought. It is not man's "natural state", as anarchists believe. Shoot me. Man's natural state is hierarchy, in my opinion. Liberty, though western in origin, certainly can be shared by those from non-western cultures, although those cultures themselves are antithetical to it. Open Borders will extinguish it.

Christianity came to Europe by way of the Levant (Middle East) and North Africa. And while the Spartans were raping little boys and worshipping multiple pagan gods, the Persians (modern day Iran) were monotheists. And yes that was long before Islam which is centuries younger than Christianity. This is what Jesus looked like in Eastern Europe prior to his image being corrupted by the west.