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You're reading comprehension is predictably poor. Let me be blunt, for you and PAF: Does libertarianism germinate in the DUNG OF "CONSERVATISM", OR LIBERALISM (for my sweet pedant) PROGRESSIVISM?
My reading comprehension is fine. It's your logic and/or honesty that's the problem. I listed for you all of the things Trump has done that are anti American and frankly many of them are anti even what YOU CLAIM to want. (Like bringing in 600,000 Chinese students). Yet you insist on being asinine and claiming that everyone who isn't on team Trump is somehow anti American.
 
My reading comprehension is fine. It's your logic and/or honesty that's the problem. I listed for you all of the things Trump has done that are anti American and frankly many of them are anti even what YOU CLAIM to want. (Like bringing in 600,000 Chinese students). Yet you insist on being asinine and claiming that everyone who isn't on team Trump is somehow anti American.

@otherone is sounding like Javier Milei [another Peter Thiel] and how the people are responding: "see! anarchy/libertarianism doesn't work!"

They completely distort it and put a bad taste in people's mouths.
 
It depends; are you trying to redefine Classical Liberalism ie; true libertarian like pro-welfare PPP Peter Thiel?, DUDE

@otherone is sounding like Javier Milei [another Peter Thiel] and how the people are responding: "see! anarchy/libertarianism doesn't work!"

They completely distort it and put a bad taste in people's mouths.
Spooner wrote in English, not Arabic, for some reason. Work it out. You're a bright fella'.
 
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@otherone is sounding like Javier Milei [another Peter Thiel] and how the people are responding: "see! anarchy/libertarianism doesn't work!"

They completely distort it and put a bad taste in people's mouths.

Anarchy only works in theoretical worlds of magical thinking where you can get 100% of people to agree to it.

So basically it doesn't work.

Libertarianism is even more magical because it seems its mostly just an imaginary platform that the democrat party uses to stop people from voting against them that would vote against them otherwise.

It probably wasn't supposed to be that but that's what it ended up being.
 
Anarchy only works in theoretical worlds of magical thinking where you can get 100% of people to agree to it.

So basically it doesn't work.

Libertarianism is even more magical because it seems its mostly just an imaginary platform that the democrat party uses to stop people from voting against them that would vote against them otherwise.

It probably wasn't supposed to be that but that's what it ended up being.

Well, then, better vote Massie out like Trump wants to do. It has nothing to do with public indoctrination schools, the corporate owned media, or any of that :rolleyes:

FSP: [don't look]
 
Well, then, better vote Massie out like Trump wants to do. It has nothing to do with public indoctrination schools, the corporate owned media, or any of that :rolleyes:

FSP: [don't look]

Ill admit you guys had me fooled up until the libertarians said Rand Paul wasn't libertarian enough when he ran for president.
 
Ill admit you guys had me fooled up until the libertarians said Rand Paul wasn't libertarian enough when he ran for president.

Don't blame me. I didn't vote. I didn't even support or not support Rand Paul.

It's people like @CaptUSA and @otherone who are indoctrinated, and can't think on their own without someone like Massie saying it first. And even then, you have the rest of 'Merika who are completely oblivious, because of said indoctrination schools.

When the hearts and minds change, so will society. Until then, all people like that do is tow the statist line. You can tell by how they regurgitate whatever the politician/state tells them, up to and including "solutions" concerning other human beings. Palantir thanks them for their support.
 
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Don't blame me. I didn't vote. I didn't even support or not support Rand Paul.

It's people like @CaptUSA and @otherone who are indoctrinated, and can't think on their own without someone like Massie saying it first. And even then, you have the rest of 'Merika who are completely oblivious, because of said indoctrination schools.

When the hearts and minds change, so will society. Until then, all people like that do is tow the statist line.
Nice try, brother. Libertarianism isn't a colonial export. It's uniquely western. Speak your truth in China or Saudi Arabia.
 
Nice try, brother. Libertarianism isn't a colonial export. It's uniquely western. Speak your truth in China or Saudi Arabia.

What a sheltered life you live. Anyway, you've got nothing. Come back with something worth conversing over [even though I really don't like to converse].
 
Don't blame me. I didn't vote. I didn't even support or not support Rand Paul.

It's people like @CaptUSA and @otherone who are indoctrinated, and can't think on their own without someone like Massie saying it first. And even then, you have the rest of 'Merika who are completely oblivious, because of said indoctrination schools.

When the hearts and minds change, so will society. Until then, all people like that do is tow the statist line. You can tell by how they regurgitate whatever the politician/state tells them, up to and including "solutions" concerning other human beings. Palantir thanks them for their support.

Our country can only remain at peace when there is a balance of power.

Libertarianism whether intentional or not is weaponized against the balance of power in our system in order to help democrats win elections.

That might not be the intention of libertarians or libertarianism.

I don't think libertarians intend for democrats to win elections.

Its just the whole country decided a long time ago we are going to decide elections by asking everyone to pick heads or tails.

So you can choose neither all you want to but neither isn't a real option.
 
What a sheltered life you live. Anyway, you've got nothing. Come back with something worth conversing over [even though I really don't like to converse].
aaaand now, you're running. Let's talk! What in the history of near eastern philosophy. or perhaps Buddhism? Taoism? IDK? Zoroastrianism?
Where is the foundation of libertarianism?
 
aaaand now, you're running. Let's talk! What in the history of near eastern philosophy. or perhaps Buddhism? Taoism? IDK? Zoroastrianism?
Where is the foundation of libertarianism?

Me, run??? LOL

You're talking about governments. I'm talking about people, individuals.

For starters here in the states there is FSP. Moving beyond, people see [or used to see] the Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell, Land of the Free Home of the Brave and want to escape their governments to seek a better life. The problem is, once they get here, and while it still is possible, they quickly find out about all of the restrictions, permits, regulations that our government imposes on them. I have quite a few friends and some relatives who are immigrants who can back that up.

Secondly, I do travel abroad. While you won't hear about it on FauxNewz or CNN, there are many Ex-Pats who relocate and settle in areas where there is little/reduced government coercion. Mexico, where I frequent, has such areas where the locals and the ex-pats get along nicely together and form their own cell-communities and don't get involved with governmental matters and avoids it the best that they can. Ron Paul himself has gone to Mexico to give speeches about liberty and draws awesome crowds, Puerto Vallarta being one.

Head over to El Salvador where Bitcoin is adopted and used across the country [unlike here]. Belize is easy to relocate to, some Ex-Pats go to Cayman and have small-cell communities there to escape the cost and regulations of this country. Of course those governments are bad in many ways, but it is sometimes easier to circumvent than here in the states.

People are people and you will find all kinds no matter where you go. The key is to find a place most conducive to your life-style and make the best of it. All governments are crony to begin with, but to imply that people outside of the U.S. have no desire for freedom/liberty is simply false. From my experience/observance, it is the force of this government [as in state] that force-demands reliance on "the system".

Lily Tang, another individual, was born and raised in China and immigrated to the U.S. She was a Republican, now turned libertarian, and has spoken about how she escaped her "eastern philosophy" to seek freedom/liberty here. Meaning, don't do what the government does and group people into classes. Treat them as individuals and 1. embrace the ones who share our values. 2. talk to people regardless of where they were born about the principles of liberty and freedom, because government schools won't.

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Me, run??? LOL

You're talking about governments. I'm talking about people, individuals.

For starters here in the states there is FSP. Moving beyond, people see [or used to see] the Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell, Land of the Free Home of the Brave and want to escape their governments to seek a better life. The problem is, once they get here, and while it still is possible, they quickly find out about all of the restrictions, permits, regulations that our government imposes on them. I have quite a few friends and some relatives who are immigrants who can back that up.

Secondly, I do travel abroad. While you won't hear about it on FauxNewz or CNN, there are many Ex-Pats who relocate and settle in areas where there is little/reduced government coercion. Mexico, where I frequent, has such areas where the locals and the ex-pats get along nicely together and form their own cell-communities and don't get involved with governmental matters and avoids it the best that they can. Ron Paul himself has gone to Mexico to give speeches about liberty and draws awesome crowds, Puerto Vallarta being one.

Head over to El Salvador where Bitcoin is adopted and used across the country [unlike here]. Belize is easy to relocate to, some Ex-Pats go to Cayman and have small-cell communities there to escape the cost and regulations of this country. Of course those governments are bad in many ways, but it is sometimes easier to circumvent than here in the states.

People are people and you will find all kinds no matter where you go. The key is to find a place most conducive to your life-style and make the best of it. All governments are crony to begin with, but to imply that people outside of the U.S. have no desire for freedom/liberty is simply false. From my experience/observance, it is the force of this government [as in state] that force-demands reliance on "the system".

Lily Tang, another individual, was born and raised in China and immigrated to the U.S. She was a Republican, now turned libertarian, and has spoken about how she escaped her "eastern philosophy" to seek freedom/liberty here. Meaning, don't do what the government does and group people into classes. Treat them as individuals and 1. embrace the ones who share our values. 2. talk to people regardless of where they were born about the principles of liberty and freedom, because government schools won't.

If Mexico and El Salvador were such great places we wouldn't need to deport people out of the United States because they wouldn't come here in the first place.

You characterize the United States like its some kind of a prison.

Nobody commits a crime just so they can go to prison and have some food to eat and a bed to sleep on unless they already don't have any food to eat and a bed to sleep on where they come from.
 
Skip just one single tax filing and get back to me on that.

Paying federal taxes isn't equivalent to being in a prison.

Its part of the privilege we have in our system where the government belongs to us because we pay the taxes we pay into a system that protects the future that we want to protect.

Its so our kids and their kids and their kids have a future where they are free and get to live and not live under totalitarian rule.

Our union is the legacy of our founding fathers that we pass on to our children.
 
If Mexico and El Salvador were such great places we wouldn't need to deport people out of the United States because they wouldn't come here in the first place.
You're not from the United States. Why do you include yourself in "We"
 
You're not from the United States. Why do you include yourself in "We"

I still call it the United States.

I saw how you called it malaise-uh. I thought that was funny actually. We haven't changed our name yet as far as I know even if you call it that.
 
Screw you guys. Lol. Joking/not joking.
Somehow, Ron Paul's unherdable cats have arrived here, at this juncture, October, 2025.

On one side, Trumpish-somewhat-supporters, motivated by “culture”, crime, and the defense of borders and People of Pallor. The Buchananites. Fascists and Trump apologists. Haters of Media and the government.

On the other, kumbaya, Freedom is for Everyone! Open-borders, anti-Israel, Trump haters; who refuse to suffer a strange bedfellow, believing that anything that delays governmental collapse will delay the awaited anarcho-libertarianism that is sure to follow.

I'm in the former camp. Liberals are off the rails,an ideology that projects “consensus reality”,which crystallizes into blurring biological facts. Secular Humanism's logical outcome. Western civilization's self-flagellation will leadto self-immolation. The “migrant” crises is the chicken coming home to roost.

Third world nations have NO concept of individual Rights; the notion is a purely western idea.

If libertarianism is to progress, it will have to be through conservatism.

The last election cycle was put to us as a lesser of evils. The retarded, drunk, DEI slut candidate, or the reality TV comedian.

So what would have happened if the retarded, drunk, DEI slut candidate had won?

Feel free to list the differences.
 
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