libertarians on bullying

[trey4sports]

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[NIU Students for Liberty]

As a teacher myself I can say that while there are incompetent faculty members who truly don't give a shit and simply pass the buck, most teachers have their hands tied behind their backs courtesy of the administration who has its hands tied by the government.

Like someone else stated, allow the victim to defend themselves but also weed out the bullies/students who don't give a damn. I teach in an alternative high school (unfortunately it is public) that supposedly allows the teachers to have firm control over disciplinary policies. I currently have 2 students who clearly are going through the motions, both with their participation in class as well as how they treat other students (verbally). I went to the administration after they walked out of my classroom and ditched, then had the nerve to complain that I failed them on their in-class essay that they never started (we're not allowed to give them homework). One of the program directors is on my side but of course the administration wants to give these students another chance, even though they were allowed back into the program after they got kicked out last semester.

Needless to say, the system is a cluster fuck. The kicker is that it's the students' choice to be in the program since it's basically their last chance. Otherwise they can drop out and pursue their GED. Put it simply, dissolve the public education system and privatize it. At times I feel like I'm a glorified babysitter....

 

[devil21]

I think the easy way to end bullying is for parents of bullied kids to start suing the parents of bullies, particularly when there's violence involved.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

As a teacher myself I can say that while there are incompetent faculty members who truly don't give a shit and simply pass the buck, most teachers have their hands tied behind their backs courtesy of the administration who has its hands tied by the government.

Like someone else stated, allow the victim to defend themselves but also weed out the bullies/students who don't give a damn. I teach in an alternative high school (unfortunately it is public) that supposedly allows the teachers to have firm control over disciplinary policies. I currently have 2 students who clearly are going through the motions, both with their participation in class as well as how they treat other students (verbally). I went to the administration after they walked out of my classroom and ditched, then had the nerve to complain that I failed them on their in-class essay that they never started (we're not allowed to give them homework). One of the program directors is on my side but of course the administration wants to give these students another chance, even though they were allowed back into the program after they got kicked out last semester.

Needless to say, the system is a cluster fuck. The kicker is that it's the students' choice to be in the program since it's basically their last chance. Otherwise they can drop out and pursue their GED. Put it simply, dissolve the public education system and privatize it. At times I feel like I'm a glorified babysitter....

Why raise boys in make believe tellytubbie land when, after they graduate, they are going to have to put up with far worse bullies in the real world? Teachers need to get their noses out of that business. I got picked on throughout school and never had a bone broken or a tooth chipped. I know this might offend some, but, in order for a young man to become a man, he needs to be raised by men. We need to quit mommying the babies so much.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You would humiliate your kid with such course. Better to get the kid some boxing lessons and let him tune up the bully himself. If the kid is pacifist, then the kid is probably wise enough to not let it bother the kid any.

I agree with this. The kid needs to learn how to defend himself, or he will be a victim his entire life.

 

[phill4paul]

The term "bullying" has gotten out of hand. My sister-in-law told me my nephew was being bullied at school. I asked what was the problem and she said kids were calling him "booger eater" (3rd grade). I said I didn't understand, because I've witnessed him eating his boogers. She informed me that if someone says something to you that you don't like, that's bullying. That little booger eater is going to have a tough time...

 

[familydog]

I have meeting at my school about bullying. May anyone help me on this question please!

What should be the proper role of the government on bullying such as kids fighting in school or being picked on?

My idea is that a kid can fight only on self defence (I can only think of the 2nd amendment but it only talks about the rigtht to bear arms for defence), but what about if the kid can't fight and he is still being physically harrased?

Please understand that you exist within a bullying hierarchy. School bullies are a mere subset of greater bullies known as government. The bottom-feeding bullies children encounter will subside once the hierarchy is dismantled. Bullying is an affect of compulsory schools.

If your children are victims to bullying (or even if they are not), please remove them from this prison.

 

[belian78]

The 'government' has no place in the bullying issue, as others have stated it's up to the teachers/principles and mostly the parents.

I was bullied (yes, full on bullying and getting picked on) everyday when I was a child. I was skinny, pale, and flaming red hair, I was called everything from albino to volcano top (because my face would match my hair once the majority of kids in my grade joined in the fun) Watch out!! Volcano top is about to explode!! For a brief time, my gradeschool years were hell, everyday.

Well one day I decided I had enough and yelled at one of the older kids to stop picking on me. He promptly shoved me so hard that my head smacked against the corner of a brick wall knocking me silly and to the ground. I just snapped, I got up and jumped on the kid and just hit/kicked/spit/bit until the gym teacher pulled me off the kid. I was never picked on again while I went to that school. It taught me a lesson that I hold with me today, the more you put up with the shit the more you will get. And the sooner you stick up for yourself, the sooner the shit stops.

In my mom's day there were bullies too, mainly because that's what they got at home, so naturally that was their learned behavior. Well, in my mom's day families actually taught their children respect for their elders and their peers. So bullies usually would either get a fist for their troubles, or more likely they would get shamed by their classmates for picking on someone smaller/not as smart/whatever reason, and it would soon stop.

The problem is, anymore children more often than not don't give an ounce of respect for anyone. Compound that with how we glorify war and all it's atrocities, what kind of example is that leading for our children? Major things need to change for sure, but I'm damn sure gov isn't the place to go looking for answers. They're the ones killing untold numbers of innocent children around the world, who the hell are they to say what should be done about bullies?

 

[pcosmar]

I agree with this. The kid needs to learn how to defend himself, or he will be a victim his entire life.

On this we agree completely. I was bullied a lot,, and my folks had the common attitude that fighting was wrong,,ALWAYS.

It took a while, and my older brothers advice,, I learned to fight back. Not well,, but that does not matter.
Bullies get away with it because they can. A solid shot to the nose will end bullying most often. Even if you "lose" the fight,, the fact that you stood up to them will back them off. They are cowards.

Once you start standing up to them they will stop.

 

[jasonxe]

Can bullying be an imitation of force between children. If so can I tell my child to fight back?

 

[belian78]

Can bullying be an imitation of force between children. If so can I tell my child to fight back?

The state would say no. I would emphatically tell you yes, make sure your child knows how to defend themselves and encourage them to do so, only as a very last resort however.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Can bullying be an imitation of force between children. If so can I tell my child to fight back?

He can damn well defend himself.

 

[osan]

What should be the proper role of the government on bullying such as kids fighting in school or being picked on?

The proper role of "government" is nothing. Leave this to the kids to settle primarily, the parents secondarily, the school tertiarily, the rest to keep their noses out of it.

If my child is assaulted by another student, they have my permission and mandate to defend themselves. If they are "bullied", whatever in hell that is supposed to mean, they hold the primary authority to settle the issue. If they are unable to settle it, they may ask an adult for help. If that fails, they come to me. Nobody else is to interfere with them lest they incur my ire.

My idea is that a kid can fight only on self defence (I can only think of the 2nd amendment but it only talks about the rigtht to bear arms for defence), but what about if the kid can't fight and he is still being physically harrased?

Perhaps the kids need to learn how to fight? I am a strong proponent of martial art training. Here I speak of actual combat training and not strip mall training for martial sports tournaments - though perhaps it is better than nothing. But when the general quality of a child's life is affected chronically, adults need to step in and squelch the problem without equivocation. If the parent of a "bully" will not get their brat under control, then my view is you hurt them in the wallet with a lawyer. If things come to such a pass you should have on your hands a problem of a non-ordinary character.

My first line solution is to train my children not only to fight, but how to think and how to avoid trouble before it finds them. But when someone attempts to place unwelcome hands upon you, it is well within your right to take whatever measures you feel are necessary to neutralize the threat. If you can walk away, do it. Run if you must, but failing the ability to do even that, stand your ground and knock the shit out of anyone touching you without permission. Then you call me and I come to investigate and make sure the school is kept on its rightly short leash.

 

[Confederate]

As a teacher myself I can say that while there are incompetent faculty members who truly don't give a shit and simply pass the buck, most teachers have their hands tied behind their backs courtesy of the administration who has its hands tied by the government.

Like someone else stated, allow the victim to defend themselves but also weed out the bullies/students who don't give a damn. I teach in an alternative high school (unfortunately it is public) that supposedly allows the teachers to have firm control over disciplinary policies. I currently have 2 students who clearly are going through the motions, both with their participation in class as well as how they treat other students (verbally). I went to the administration after they walked out of my classroom and ditched, then had the nerve to complain that I failed them on their in-class essay that they never started (we're not allowed to give them homework). One of the program directors is on my side but of course the administration wants to give these students another chance, even though they were allowed back into the program after they got kicked out last semester.

Needless to say, the system is a cluster fuck. The kicker is that it's the students' choice to be in the program since it's basically their last chance. Otherwise they can drop out and pursue their GED. Put it simply, dissolve the public education system and privatize it. At times I feel like I'm a glorified babysitter....

Wtf?

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Wtf?

Yup. And I kid you not: teachers must provide the students with pencils and paper. Again, these are 17-year-olds.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Taking your kid out of state schooling would be the first step to solving the bullying problem, imo.

It's entirely based on a structure of domination and submission from the foundation to the classroom and that's precisely what children learn by participating in it.

Education and schooling are two very different things.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

He can damn well defend himself.

This^^ I suggest a self defense class at the minimum so the victim can learn the best ways to fight back and/or get away. Judo's awesome for this, btw.