Libertarians Move In To Make A Small N.H. Town Even Smaller

Well yeah, if a group of people moved into your town and wanted to change the way things always have been, wouldn't you be pissed too?

Statist locusts are abandoning the states they have destroyed, and are invading AZ, CO, TX (to name 3 states) to destroy those now. On top of it, we have immigrants, who also tend toward statistm, flooding into the country with progs demanding they be given citizenship. (Let's not even get started with their long march through the institutions.) So yeah, I can kind of relate, and I find the progs' indignation over the free state project a bit hypocritical. They don't like the taste of their own medicine, not even one drop.
 
Well yeah, if a group of people moved into your town and wanted to change the way things always have been, wouldn't you be pissed too?

One of the comments pointed out that the liberals didn't seem to mind when immigrants did exactly the same thing.



Here in Maine the locals all get pissed off when out of state summer people buy up the waterfront and close off the beaches that the previous owners used to let the public use. It happens fairly often, I think that is how the people in Grafton feel about the free staters.

Maine is a fairly liberal state - they should simply pass a law that gives the first 50 ft of the beach past the high tide line to the state. That's sort of how Clearwater, and maybe all of Florida worked. I do not know the specifics, but there was practically no such thing as a private beach there.
 
Remember State Rep. Cynthia Chase, of Keene NH?

Remember Cynthia Chase, the District 8 State Representative of Keene?
December 2012:
"In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the “freedoms” that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming. They can not put their ideology into our statutes unless we elect them in great enough numbers to take over our General Court. We have already seen them try during the last session of the General Court. Our last election was a repudiation of their extremism.

Here in Keene we had a couple show up on Central Square to take part in our weekly Saturday morning peace demonstration. In the course of the conversation they allowed that they were Free Staters considering moving to Keene. The folks on the Square told them in no uncertain terms not to do that because Free Staters are not welcome here. Cheshire County is a welcoming community but not to those whose stated goal is to move in enough ideologues to steal our state, and our way of life."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...mpshire&highlight=woman+free-state+discourage

(Incidently, a NH commenter on a different website says this Maureen O'Reilly person is from New Jersey!)
 
It seems that the people of Grafton won't let them raise property taxes.

Valley News - January 28, 2014
....After the hearing, former town welfare administrator Maureen O’Reilly said that she hopes that more voters turn out than did so the last two Town Meetings — at each of which voters rejected her proposals to raise $10,000 toward a fund to deal with the building’s problems.

“And this is where we are today,” O’Reilly said.

Looming over all proposals for spending is a second effort by members and allies of the libertarian Free State Project to sharply limit spending.

In an article for which he collected enough signatures to put on the warrant, resident Jeremy Olson proposes a tax cap — under which the Budget Committee could not recommend an increase in property taxes of more than 1 percent over the previous year’s spending package. The cap would remain in effect year to year, unless a 60-percent majority voted to repeal it.

In 2013, at a sparsely attended deliberative session 4½ weeks before Town Meeting, Free State supporters won preliminary approval of a cut of more than $128,000 from the $954,000 budget that the Selectboard and the Budget Committee had recommended. Voters at the subsequent Town Meeting rejected that cut, leaving the town with a default budget of $940,000 — about the same amount of spending as the previous year.

Olson last year also proposed a warrant article for a tax cap, which failed to receive the 60-percent majority vote to go into effect. At Monday night’s hearing, Olson said similar caps are working in Franklin and Manchester, under the state law allowing voters to institute them. He added that voters at the deliberative session could raise the cap to 2 percent or 3 percent.

O’Reilly described the cap as “an insulting warrant article. Everybody works hard to keep their budgets low.”

Selectwoman Jennie Joyce added that if the town had to face rising and unexpected expenses with a cap at below the rate of inflation, “we’d go to hell without the handbasket.”

http://www.vnews.com/news/10409782-95/town-offices-up-for-a-vote
 
Honestly the commenters have valid point. They have lived there for generations and free staters "from away" moved in and want to change the way things have always been. You can hardly blame them for being upset. A little respect for the way things are would go a long way for the free staters. I mean they liked NH so much they moved there, why change it?

I speak from experience in New England. I moved to Maine last year. No matter how long I live here I will always be "from away" and so will my kids. You aren't considered a Mainer unless your grandparents were born here. I think the saying is "a cat can have kittens in the oven, doesn't make them biscuits". I like the way life is where I live, so I don't rock the boat much. Most people don't notice I'm not a native.

There's a peaceful solution to that: The locals could've outbid the new movers for property.

If you want a static, insular, closed community that's immune from exterior pressure, it'll cost you.

If not, expect people that move in to bring along their own views.
 
Oh, oh, oh. I just busted my gut. Frikken crying over here. LMAO.
I've had a family member attend that weekly Peace Vigil for years.

So this elderly guys starts talking to me. He invites me to attend the Peace Vigil. I go down there to introduce myself. He starts yelling at me. I wasn't sure how to react to an elderly man yelling at me (my relative wasn't there that day) so I just left. Some people...
 
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Question: If a focused libertarian effort within a relatively small town cannot be successful through the established legal means available, how can we expect these same sorts of established legal means to lead to success on an exponentially larger, national scale?

I believe Molyneux has offered this challenge in the past--if it is possible we can 'infiltrate' the establishment and affect change by way of the political process, why not prove this is possible on a smaller scale first, and then go from there? Though, admittedly, he tends to suggest we change the mafia into a charitable organization, so this situation is somewhat different, but perhaps still somewhat applicable.


Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.
 
Yeah but that is because most of the out-of-towners are from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (formerly known as Taxachusetts). I don't blame Mainers for getting pissed, they come in and want to take a rural setting and make it urban--municipal water and sewage, street lights and paved roads which create higher taxation. The taxes in Maine are high enough. Most of the southern portion of Maine pay taxes to support the northern portion of Maine. Maine is becoming an elite playground. The motto: Vacationland. Sooner or later the native Mainers will see that motto as; Vacate land.

As an Ex-Mainer, I concur.

The Massholes want to turn the whole state into a giant Martha's Vineyard or Cape Cod, with an elite 5% otium class and everybody else scratching along in a servant class.
 
I've had a family member attend that weekly Peace Vigil for years.

So this elderly guys starts talking to me. He invites me to attend the Peace Vigil. I go down there to introduce myself. He starts yelling at me. I was sure how to react to an elderly man yelling at me (my relative wasn't there that day) so I just left. Some people...

Some people....indeed.
 
(Incidently, a NH commenter on a different website says this Maureen O'Reilly person is from New Jersey!)

Figures...

Chase is from Roach Island.

Sweetheart isn't she?

cynthia-chase.jpg
 
There's a peaceful solution to that: The locals could've outbid the new movers for property.

If you want a static, insular, closed community that's immune from exterior pressure, it'll cost you.

If not, expect people that move in to bring along their own views.

The problem is the locals are getting priced out of oceanfront real estate.

As an Ex-Mainer, I concur.

The Massholes want to turn the whole state into a giant Martha's Vineyard or Cape Cod, with an elite 5% otium class and everybody else scratching along in a servant class.

It's happening here. I've only lived here a year full time, but have been here visiting for 8 years now. My town has gone from a working class town to about 50/50 vacation homes and tourist trap stores.

I have to admit I don't totally hate it. It's nice and quiet the 6 months of the year the summer people are gone. The town and area has been cleaned up rather nicely. There is a lot of stuff to do in the summer now. The summer people leave a lot of money here. I guess I see both sides of it.

FWIW, my property tax is rather reasonable. I now get the homestead rebate after being here a year and it dropped to 600 a year. The big summer houses pay 10x's that and are empty 6 months a year, I would assume their money keeps my taxes low.
 
It's happening here. I've only lived here a year full time, but have been here visiting for 8 years now. My town has gone from a working class town to about 50/50 vacation homes and tourist trap stores.

I have to admit I don't totally hate it. It's nice and quiet the 6 months of the year the summer people are gone. The town and area has been cleaned up rather nicely. There is a lot of stuff to do in the summer now. The summer people leave a lot of money here. I guess I see both sides of it.

FWIW, my property tax is rather reasonable. I now get the homestead rebate after being here a year and it dropped to 600 a year. The big summer houses pay 10x's that and are empty 6 months a year, I would assume their money keeps my taxes low.

I was eight years in southern Maine before moving to NH and watched it happen before my eyes.

My issue has always been what they do to the local commercial fishermen when the trendys show up.

Those lobster pots are so rustic and charming, until Mr Masshole Lawyer and his fourth wife get a whiff of a few nice, ripe, bait barrels on a hot summer day.

Not so quaint anymore, and before you know it, Mr Masshole Lawyer has five or six of his buddies elected as town selectmen and there goes the zoning and tax rates for the local fishouse.

In over thirty years now, I've watched it happen over and over again in Maine, Mass, NJ, Rhode Island, North Carolina, Florida...

Billy Joel, an ex commercial fisherman, sang about it:

"They tell me I can't catch no stripers, and there ain't no island left for islanders like me".
 
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