General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

[LibertyPA]

Carter caused the worst problem since the Depression? What problem was that?

this was off topic when the last person brought it up -- but if you weren't around for Carter, these were his numbers:
21% Intrest rate
18% inflation
11% unemployment

 

[LibertyPA]

So, I'm likely not voting GJ - prolly RP write-in for me.

D.Q. does have hamburgers, btw.

I like a good burger too!
and I hope they stay legal in PA

 

[erowe1]

this was off topic when the last person brought it up -- but if you weren't around for Carter, these were his numbers:
21% Intrest rate
18% inflation
11% unemployment

What exactly did Carter do that you think caused that?

Was it that he spent too much?

 

[LibertyPA]

By denying GOP enough conservative votes when they nominate liberal candidates, hopefully the GOP will suffer loss after loss, and realize that the real formula to winning is to nominate actual conservative candidates.

Based on the uproar against TARP, the other bailouts, and the pre-emptive wars, and seeing the tea party victories in 2010, etc., I believe real conservatism is not only philosophically and pragmatically right, but it is actually the majority view of US voters and is a winner.

Isn't there also a risk of dividing the vote of those who favor the Right Wing ideals? That is what sounds to be happening in this election and may for a long time. Those on the left are staying on the left and so when you divide the vote on the right, don't you run the risk of having a Left Wing person in the oval office for decades?

And I don't pose this question as a reason to or not to vote for someone in this election - just a general question to ask for all.

 

[LibertyPA]

I don't believe it's a conspiracy at all. This is a troll thread and your intention to persuade us to vote for your guy is quite obvious. Since yesterday, you have 91 posts all on the same troll thread, you obviously have no interest in any other discussion that doesn't involve a bump to said troll thread.

Sorry you feel that way.
I have 91 posts here because people keep asking questions and making comments and I am here to talk about things with people. This is a question I personally have and some (a select few) people on here have been very helpful.

You state that your intention is to find out why we're not doing 'all we can to get Obama out of office'. The answer is because your guy is certainly no better. Romney is a warmonger

And I dont understand why everyone is saying how Romney is so Pro War. He very well may put us into a war, but Obama HAS done this already -- he threw us into Libya!!! and yet when people talk about Romney and Wars they almost always forget that Obama is the only one running for the white house that actually HAS taken us to war!

 

[erowe1]

And I dont understand why everyone is saying how Romney is so Pro War. He very well may put us into a war, but Obama HAS done this already -- he threw us into Libya!!! and yet when people talk about Romney and Wars they almost always forget that Obama is the only one running for the white house that actually HAS taken us to war!

Libya is bad, and I don't see anyone excusing it. But a war with Iran, like Romney and a lot of Republicans are itching to get us into, would be a million times worse than that, and twice as bad as Obamacare.

 

[LibertyPA]

I don't think this is an unhealthy thread.

Thank you for your kind words.
I look forward to chatting with you more about the issues! I am thankful to all those on here offering thoughts, opinions and facts!

 

[TheGrinch]

See PauliticsPolitics post, and then please leave us alone. You cant guilt trip us into voting for that Goldman Sachs scumbag over the other Goldman Sachs scumbag.

And please dont try to act like youre here to talk about the issues. Every single post has been trying to convince us that Obama is so much worse. It doesnt make romney any better. We've given you ample evidence why.

 

[LibertyPA]

Well, I think it still could be a troll thread, given that he resorted to the "you guys are just paranoid conspiracy theorists for claiming I have alterior motives (even when I clearly do)" argument.

Haha, that is because you and a handful of others were attacting me from the start without answering any questions, making any positive comments or even asking your own questions -- just attacks directed at me. If you are so upset with my questions and don't want to offer your thoughts, opinions and facts as others have been kind enough and polite enough to do - you can feel free to stop making posts.

 

[Dr.3D]

See PauliticsPolitics post, and then please leave us alone. You cant guilt trip us into voting for that Goldman Sachs scumbag over the other Goldman Sachs scumbag.

And please dont try to act like youre here to talk about the issues. Every single post has been trying to convince us that Obama is so much worse. It doesnt make romney any better. We've given you ample evidence why.

Yes, this post pretty much explains the view of most on these forums.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-for-Johnson&p=4706774&viewfull=1#post4706774

 

[TheGrinch]

Haha, that is because you and a handful of others were attacting me from the start without answering any questions, making any positive comments or even asking your own questions -- just attacks directed at me. If you are so upset with my questions and don't want to offer your thoughts, opinions and facts as others have been kind enough and polite enough to do - you can feel free to stop making posts.

False. You solicited us from the start. Like i said, I could care less your intentions, but we aint interested.

 

[LibertyPA]

I just felt like the thread-starter did not understand this forum and did not have a good grasp of key issues which dominate Ron Paul's philosophy (and hence are popular on RonPaulForums).

I know this was a long post and I cut it short, but I wanted to tahnk you for taking all your time to point out ways to help me better understand this forum. You are correct, I did not understand the forum. And thanks to you taking the time to explain things more clearly - I now do. Thank you for that!!!

 

[Qdog]

Can you please talk more about your points - you sound like you have something to say of value and I would enjoy hearing about it. Please try not to make this about your vote and not about my personal word choices. But, I do welcome hearing you write a few things Capt USA - we are both in PA, please tell me why you think I should change my "Romney Lean" to a "Johnson Vote" .... I would be curious to hear about it if you have the time, thank you!

The argument to NOT vote for Romney is mostly based upon his foreign Policy. This is especially important because the President is the Commander in Chief, and can bring the troops home on his 1st day in office period. I am not going to vote for a guy who will start WW3. I will only vote for someone who will bring the troops home and stop trying to be the policeman of the world. In this sense, Romney is an even BIGGER warmonger than Obama.

In every other sense, economic, civil liberties, etc, I dont see any significant differences between Obama and Romney (they both totally suck, support NDAA/PatriotAct, are keynesians,etc) I would rather vote for Johnson... who has a chance to get 5%, represents about 90% of what I believe in as a Libertarian Conservative, and seems like the best way for me to clearly give the middle finger to the GOP since they screwed Ron Paul.

 

[LibertyPA]

Heck, I heard it all the time four years ago and McCain wasn't even an incumbent - but there were lots of "libertarians" claiming "I'll vote for Obama because the GOP needs to be punished for what they did in the last 4 years". Same in 2004. But in years like this one or 2000, that argument stops being valid.

And then they expect the GOP to move towards their direction to conquer their votes. Insanity.

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying here. Do you mean to say that people vote for 3rd party in the past and it isn't teaching any lessons to the GOP?
Don't you think the GOP is upset to not have "their boy" in office?

 

[angelatc]

you are spot on with #4 and other points, but in #1, i agree 28 years is a joke!! but can you please list these 4 points about what may happen if Obama has 4 more years? Because rather than ballance in 3 decades, we could double our debt in 4.

If that's your biggest worry, you're better off hoping that Obama wins, and the House stays Republican. Deadlock is better than a GOP president and a GOP house. Obama has made it clear that he can't work with a GOP House - that means government can't do much to hose us.

 

[LibertyPA]

Oh, and for those who said this was a troll thread. I still think the OP is digesting his food for thought. But the trolls have arrived...

Not my intent at all.
I don't know this person.
And him bashing anything is not helpful -- I do not support his attacks!

 

[LibertyPA]

You guys should come to terms

This isnt the point of this topic.
Please start your own if you want to talk more about this with other people....but under this topic, feel free to talk about reasons you want to vote for Romney and why you think he is a better choice than Obama. But please stop with all the attacks on Paul -- that isnt helpful and has no reason to be posted here. I hope you understand, and I thank you in advance!

 

[LibertyPA]

I empathize completely. But it is a virtual certainty that one of these two buffoons will be President. Skewing the results can make some impact on the political landscape in a positive way. I can live with that.

Skewing things how...meaning voting 3rd party and putting Obama in office?
Isn't that exactly what happened 4 years ago....and GOP came back with an even worse choice (if that is possible) in Romney. Can you see there being a risk of getting two left wing choices in 2016?

 

[LibertyPA]

Libya is bad, and I don't see anyone excusing it. But a war with Iran, like Romney and a lot of Republicans are itching to get us into, would be a million times worse than that, and twice as bad as Obamacare.

The war with Libya DID happen and the war with IRAN did not.
Yet you only brought up one of these wars .... the one that has NOT taken place.
So while you dont excuse it, you surely took time to NOT highlight it either.

 

[LibertyPA]

False. You solicited us from the start. Like i said, I could care less your intentions, but we aint interested.

You keep hanging around though....sure sounds as though you are interested in what i write
haha
thanks for your support and ALL your interest! I'm sure you will stay interested and keep hanging around.