General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

Really, so he was so worried about the Libertarian vote in 1980 that he lied....and somehow, did even better in 1984?!?! doesnt sound like he ignored many people in 1984 ... other than a few folks in Minn
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But we are far off topic, I am okay chatting with you more about this Agorism, but can you start a new thread? just send me the link and i will join you there for a debate -- I would like to keep this to people in swing states and hearing them talk about their vote and reason for it.
Thanks!

Congrats on the mob. Just because everyone thinks Reagan was a good idea doesn't mean he was.

Same goes for Obama. Obama is really popular. So what...who cares.
 
I've never voted for a single democrat in my whole life.

In fact, I voted for Bush in his first term (when I was young and thought he was a conservative somehow)

We sound as though we may be around the same age -- so you may be a great person for me to talk with...can you tell me more about how/where/when/why you made a change?
Thanks!
 
We do both agree as long as you are saying it's okay for us to keep the nukes and to impose fear on others.
I do not like war. Though I would support things such as WWII when Congress votes on it, even though I dont like seeing war.

and yes, we agree Mitt may start a war with Iran, but do we also both agree that obama DID start a war, in Libya?
Yep, I agree, and Obama did it without the approval of Congress.
 
We sound as though we may be around the same age -- so you may be a great person for me to talk with...can you tell me more about how/where/when/why you made a change?
Thanks!

Invasion of Iraq of course. heh

BTW- none of our personal fates rests with these politicians ones way or the other...for the most part anyway.
 
Yep, I agree, and Obama did it without the approval of Congress.

Okay, thanks. So many people make it sound as if Mitt is pro war (just because Bush was)
and yet the only Pro War person we have seen in action in this election is Obama. That doesnt mean Mitt wont, but it means on the issue at hand, only Obama has shown proof of this to date.
 
A nice chart....a question about it: Romney is Anti-guns????

In a word, YES.

The following quote is from an article posted on the Gun Owners of America website:
http://gunowners.org/mittromney-2012.htm

“We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them,” he [Romney] said during a gubernatorial debate. “I won’t chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety.”[1]

Even worse, Romney signed a law to permanently ban many semi-automatic firearms. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said in 2004. “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”[2]

Romney also spoke in favor of the Brady law’s five day waiting period on handguns. The Boston Herald quotes Romney saying, “I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect.”[3]

(go to the article if you wish to view the quote sources)

Romney's view of the Second Amendment is, apparently, that it was placed in the Constitution to protect our rights to go on the occasional duck hunting trip. :mad:
 
I am not loyal to either party -- which may in part explain why i am taking time to write on this forum and ask questions.
you are correct about neither person doing anything about the Fed.

...and the monetary inflation of QE3 is far and away the most important issue of the century. I never used to think so, but Ron Paul set me straight on that one.

Unless something changes, we will be in a hyper-inflationary spiral by December of 2014. That makes everything else (except foreign policy) completely irrelevant. And Romney is worse on foreign policy than Obama.

though, is there no thought that Romney will push to cut Govt Spending....even if he spends more on some parts (ex military), that he will cut in other areas?

I don't believe that Romney will even cut PBS / Big Bird, and that's what... 0.0001% of the budget? He's too beholden to the politics of special interests.

and look to make some items such a S.S. private rather than the way our system now works?

Do you really believe that Romney will lift one finger in the direction of privatizing Social Security? I don't. He's too beholden to the politics of special interests.

I do agree, Romney is not a conservative (though not all republicans are conservatives), he wants to spend money and grow the goverment, it just doesnt sound like he wants to grow it as large and as fast as Obama.

So we go over the cliff at 55mph vs 60mph. I agree that 55 is technically slower than 60, but does that technicality really make any difference whatsoever?

So without looking and hoping about what may or may not happen in 2016

I didn't mention 2016, if I had then it would have made my whole argument irrelevant. My argument was that we will be in a full hyper-inflationary spiral by December 2014, which will be blamed on the party/philosophy in the oval office at that time. If that is Romney, then the kickback from the collapse will lead to rebuilding in a communistic/socialistic model.

If the principled voters of America only ever look in four year chunks, we are lost for certain. It is awfully short sighted to accept a slow death over a fast death now, in exchange for a dystopian communist tyranny a decade from now. Are we supposed to simply not care about our posterity?

-- if those are the two likely options of the two, I'd rather the slow death with Romney over the quick death with Obama.

Slow deaths are always more painful than quick ones. There will be more blood in the streets, more death and destruction, more pain, and more tyranny from a slow death than a fast death.

This should not come as a surprise. Arsenic poisoning is more painful than cyanide poisoning. Burning to death is more painful than a bullet to the brain. It is certain enough to be axiomatic.

And I would like to hear from you, if you'd care to share -- why vote 3rd party...to make a point? to take a stand? because you like Gary Johnson's views on the issues? Just curious.

I never said that I would be voting for Gary Johnson. That is an assumption you have made. For a point of fact, Johnson lost my vote when he started discovering 'Constitutional rights' never envisioned by the founders or the framers. Were Virgil Goode on the ballot in NC, I would likely vote for him, even though he has his own issues at least he isn't shredding the Constitution.

And why demur from either of the Goldman Sachs candidates? Because I am a strict construction constitutionalist. I will never vote to further abrogate the Constitution. Both RomBama and ObaMney will piss on the Constitution. If any party wants my vote, then they will nominate candidates that will honor the Constitution. As long as they continue to nominate candidates that spit on the Constitution, they will continue to forfeit my vote.

That pledge I will take to my grave.

Thanks. and if you are a marine, thank you for your service!!

Thank you, it was from a desire to pledge my life to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic that I joined. That same exact desire to lay down my life for the Constitution has led to my voting pattern whereby I will only vote for those who will honor it.

Death before dishonor.

I will die before I vote to piss on the Constitution.
 
He's personal friends with bibi. He's also on record of saying that he does not need congress to start a war with Iran.

If this guy wins, it will be a blood bath.
 
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The answer to that question is YES!

Yes we can risk 4 more years of Obama vs. a possible 8 by Romney!
 
You can't tell me you "trust" Obama. So I cannot agree with your first point of not being able to trust romney, that is equal because you cannot trust obama either.

I actually trust Obama a bit more than Romney, but only because he admits (proclaims) part of what he is, hence is just slightly more honest. But BECAUSE I 'equally' dislike both, I don't want either.

And I can understand you are upset about Romney altering elections (Obama did that also, that is how he got elected to the State Senate) - but is that enough to give Obama the election?

What "Lesson" are you teaching the Repubs by giving the election to Obama ... that next time, the Repubs need to pick a person MORE left wing to take votes from people voting for Obama?!?

What lesson would we give if after that we still voted for him, that they can do anything at all to cheat us and we'll still vote 'red team'?

No thanks.
 
it was from a desire to pledge my life to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic that I joined. That same exact desire to lay down my life for the Constitution has led to my voting pattern whereby I will only vote for those who will honor it.

Death before dishonor.

I will die before I vote to piss on the Constitution.


clearly an honorable thing!
and yes, i'm sorry that i assumed you were voting for GJ.
I know you wont vote for either R or D....so are you voting for no one, or write in? (and I dont need to know a name, just curious)

thanks for sharing your words....i have put away the rope I was going to hang myself with if Obama won....you talked me off the ledge. That doesnt make me any more happy about the direction of this country, but it does make me think more seriously about a 3rd party vote in PA
 
By the way, I wish the swing state conservative voters could see things the way most of us see them here on the forums.

If those conservatives realized that they had the power to show the GOP that we won't stand for dem-lite candidates any more, they could leave their ballot blank, pick a third party they were comfortable with, or write-in their favorite conservative.

That might actually get some attention and help us all change things for the better.

This 'lesser of two evils', 'Anyone but Obama' crap is just that. Same game every time, and the GOP knows it. Gotta break out from that endless spiral downward.

C'mon, Lou, if you are a conservative, find your heart and conscience, and vote like one. Don't settle for Democrat-lite. There's too much at stake, and your future generations will thank you for it.

This. If we continue to accept lesser evils, then we will do nothing but descend further into evil, until the fall of the Republic.
 
I have the solutions to this problem... Just look to "libertarian" Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan said himself in an Ohio speech that him and Ron Paul are good buddies and he agree's with him so much on Freedom and Liberty. Shouldn't that be enough to make you vote for Romney/Ryan... Wait.... Wait....

Paul Ryan -
NDAA (YES)
PATRIOT ACT (YEST)
FISA (YES)
TARP (YES)
CISPA(YES!!!!)

I think he misunderstood the bills because he's a libertarian and good friends with Ron Paul. Vote for FREEDOM Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!
 
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I have the solutions to this problem... Just look to "libertarian" Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan said himself in an Ohio speech that him and Ron Paul are good buddies and he agree's with him so much on Freedom and Liberty. Shouldn't that be enough to make you vote for Romney/Ryan... Wait.... Wait....

Paul Ryan -
NDAA (YES)
PATRIOT ACT (YEST)
FISA (YES)
TARP (YES)

I think he misunderstood the bills because he's a libertarian and good friends with Ron Paul. Vote for FREEDOM Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!

We seriously do need a sarcasm font.
 
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