General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

[devil21]

Please tell me more about why you'd vote FOR romney if you lived in a swing state.

This thread is starting to look like a research project to me.

 

[LibertyPA]

Most voters are way less complex than those of us on this forum -- they just want their side to win in November. And although that is a terrible reason to vote for anyone, I understand this is a results oriented process.

SO SAD....but true

I also will not vote with a write-in vote or vote for anyone not an actual candidate this Tuesday (I won't write-in someone because they are a hero, an idol, or a crush - I only vote for candidates.) I personally feel that more can be accomplished by voting for Gov Johnson, however I do respect everyone's right to vote how they see fit.

An interesting and actually a very good point.
Thank you for sharing!

 

[LibertyPA]

Simply put, if Romney loses, the Republican Party has a lot of explaining to do. Maybe some people who run the Republican campaigns and RNC might actually get fired! Dare to dream.

That may be the only good thing that can come out of an Obama win.

 

[LibertyPA]

if PA tightens up before the election I might just vote for Obama. Otherwise, Johnson.

Reasoning: Because fuck the GOP old guard.

Wow, care to explain more about the reason for your Ultra Left Wing vote....without using foul words?

Because, as people have said here, the reason for a 3rd party vote is because you believe in using that vote for a person you agree with -- are you suggesting you agree with Obama and his plans for the future of this country (and his past history of 4 years in office)?

 

[LibertyPA]

I wonder why LibertyPA ignores my posts on this thread? Maybe they make too much sense.

I did not mean to ignore you. But everytime I sign on here I have 10's of posts to review and reply -- i try my best to write a reply to them all (which is the reason i have over 100 posts on this forum alone)....so, I am sorry I did not reply (as long as you werent one of the people who simply attacked me personally) - and if you would please post again, i promise to keep an eye out for your posts and send a reply....thanks, and i look forward to reading what you write!

 

[LibertyPA]

This thread is starting to look like a research project to me.

Ive asked people in swing states to share why they would vote for Romney (to get obama out of office), or why they would vote for a 3rd party.....are you suggesting only 1 side should get to answer?

 

[devil21]

I did not mean to ignore you. But everytime I sign on here I have 10's of posts to review and reply -- i try my best to write a reply to them all (which is the reason i have over 100 posts on this forum alone)....so, I am sorry I did not reply (as long as you werent one of the people who simply attacked me personally) - and if you would please post again, i promise to keep an eye out for your posts and send a reply....thanks, and i look forward to reading what you write!

Uh huh. Or you could go ahead and respond to the posts Ive already added to this thread.

This thread is a research project. Don't feed the troll.

 

[LibertyPA]

Uh huh.

This thread is a research project. Don't feed the troll.

I don't know what that means.....but there are many people sharing a large amount of quality opinions and facts so far on here -- I am enjoying it.
I understand if you no longer want to spend your time posting here, but thank you for all your previous posts, adding to a great forum!

 

[sailingaway]

Here is a brief write up of some points of comparison between Ron Paul Romney and Obama:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/106853479/2012 Candidate Fact Sheet draft 2.doc

 

[devil21]

I don't know what that means.....but there are many people sharing a large amount of quality opinions and facts so far on here -- I am enjoying it.
I understand if you no longer want to spend your time posting here, but thank you for all your previous posts, adding to a great forum!

It means exactly what I said. You posted this thread to dig up info/opinions on what would make people vote for Romney instead of Johnson in swing states. It's obvious.

Respond to my posts in this thread please. Or will you continue to ignore them since they expose Romney and Obama as being the same?

 

[LibertyPA]

It means exactly what I said. You posted this thread to dig up info/opinions on what would make people vote for Romney instead of Johnson in swing states. It's obvious.

Respond to my posts in this thread please. Or will you continue to ignore them since they expose Romney and Obama as being the same?

I have no reason to reply to your false opinions about my initial post.

 

[LibertyPA]

So my choices are voting for a socialist, voting for a fascist, or voting for liberty.

Tough call! I think I'll vote for fascism. /sarc

You cried because I did not reply to your posts....claiming that you made it so clear that Obama and Romney are the same people.....so I searched and found this.

I have no reason to reply to sarcasm - your post was pointless and did not earn a reply. But to keep you from crying, i will send you this post as a reply. Enjoy.

 

[Dr.3D]

Does this thread pertain to people who are Republicans in swing states too?

 

[brandon]

Wow, care to explain more about the reason for your Ultra Left Wing vote....without using foul words?

Because, as people have said here, the reason for a 3rd party vote is because you believe in using that vote for a person you agree with -- are you suggesting you agree with Obama and his plans for the future of this country (and his past history of 4 years in office)?

I think that an Obama and a Romney presidency will be virtually identical. Their policies are indistinguishable. However, from a long term political standpoint an Obama win is by far the best outcome. Four more years of partisan deadlock (I use this word very loosely) is more favorable than a Republican administration and Republican Congress. More importantly, I've spent the last 5 years of my life working to reshape and reform the ideological underpinning of the GOP, and to go and empower an old guard moderate-establishment Republican to lead the party would be complete defeat in my eyes. The battle for the executive branch this year is already lost, regardless of what happens. The battle to control the GOP is still ongoing and we still have a shot.

As an aside, Obama is definitely not ultra left wing. He is a moderate centrist just like Romney. AN ultra left wing president would have closed gitmo, ended the wars, and proposed singlepayer universal healthcare instead of the ultra-corporatist for-profit Obamacare that we got.

 

[LibertyPA]

Does this thread pertain to people who are Republicans in swing states too?

No, it does not.
I am okay with hearing about a vote for Romney, though I would like that to be from a libertarian.

 

[LibertyPA]

As an aside, Obama is definitely not ultra left wing. He is a moderate centrist just like Romney. AN ultra left wing president would have closed gitmo, ended the wars, and proposed singlepayer universal healthcare instead of the ultra-corporatist for-profit Obamacare that we got.

Ultra Left Wing is Total Government Control - something Obama wants. And Socialism is far left wing....also something Obama promotes.
I don't deny that Romney is left wing, but not this far!

 

[Dr.3D]

No, it does not.
I am okay with hearing about a vote for Romney, though I would like that to be from a libertarian.

Oh, well I'm a libertarian Republican like Ron Paul.

Edit:
This is what confuses me. Are you talking about Libertarian or libertarian?

Edit II:
In case I'm confusing you:
Libertarian is a party
libertarian is a philosophy.

 

[LibertyPA]

Oh, well I'm a libertarian Republican like Ron Paul.

Edit:
This is what confuses me. Are you talking about Libertarian or libertarian?

Edit II:
In case I'm confusing you:
Libertarian is a party
libertarian is a philosophy.

lower case "l"

 

[TheGrinch]

Okay, you keep talk about the faults against Obama, but we're already voting against Obama (and Romney and the entire establishment puppets). However, you've made a pretty lousy case for Romney, aside from "but, but, but Obama".

Sorry, but that's not at all good enough for the principled people you'll find here. We haven't done all of this work just to go back to establishment hacks who are ruining this country. As a republican, you can't be at all happy with the hacks they're declaring nominees before the race has even begun. The difference is, we're well past accepting it and doing something about it.

Romney never even attempted to even pander to us about the issues that matter to us. He and his subordinates overtly cheated us at every turn, making the primary process a total joke, even as they claimed from the get-go that Ron Paul was unelectable and we were no threat.

Why in the world would we vote for him now? As if Romney wasn't a joke enough, they made this personal...

 

[brandon]

Ultra Left Wing is Total Government Control - something Obama wants. And Socialism is far left wing....also something Obama promotes.
I don't deny that Romney is left wing, but not this far!

Obama most certainly does not want or promote socialism. He's a solid Keynesian just like Romney.