General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

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First, please let me introduce myself, I am Lou from PA and I own a small business. Married with a wife and young child.

I live in Pennsylvania and while I am not officially part of the Libertarian Party, I do agree with Libertarians on more issues than any other party. PA isn't quite a swing state, but some reports say it may be closer than Obama may like to see. While being on this forum I have read posts from people in non-swing states (such as New York or Texas) talk about voting for Gary Johnson. And some some people listed reasons such as, increasing the popular vote for G.J. and yet not swinging any Elect. College votes for the D or R.

My question is specific to people in states that are swing states. This is partly because I am not fully decided, though in the past couple weeks I am leaning for Romney. The reason for my vote is because I think Obama is as far from a Libertarian as one could possibly elect. Romney is a bad choice, a very bad choice, and yet he still wants to offer some freedoms, he does believe in a free market for our economey, or at least more of a free market than Obama. I have my doubts about Romney overturning Obama care, but there is at least a chance that Romney would do such things - and there is Zero chance Obama would change his own goverment mandate on health care. When I view Obama, I see a person who doesn't know or doesn't care about the words in the Constitution. I see Romney as a person similar in many ways, but I see a difference and would fear 4 more years of Obama. I also think about Romney needing to be careful on what he does or doesn't do because he hopes to get reelected in 2016. Obama, will have 4 more years without worry of reelection and if he was this reckless in 4 "checked" years, I don't want to be a part of 4 more "unchecked" years.

I hope to hear from the Libertarians on this forum who live in those handful of Swing States. Have you made up your choice or are you on the fence - and if so which way are you leaning? I hope in this next week, we can all chat more under this new thread and talk about what is happening in our states and why we are going one way or the other. So I ask: Why vote for Johnson in a swing state when you know that makes it almost a "lock" for Obama to get 4 more years? or I will ask: Why vote for Romney when he may not be for as big of government as Obama but still supports many big government ideas?
 
Been away lately, but I assume there's been a bunch of these rationalizations being used to try to sway our vote here...

But sorry, after the way Romney and the establishemnt cheated and disenfranchised our people at every turn rather than embracing new members to their party, they have surely lost any possible chance of the vast majority of us even considering voting for Romney.

And regardless, most here wouldn't vote for a corrupt establishment lackey on either side of the aisle in the first place, so there's that....
 
Haha, I actually enjoy the desperation of them saying "but, but, Obama sucks!". Should have thought about that when you called the race for Romney and pissed all over us.
 
LOL, vote for Romney. The man has gone well out of his way to let us know that he does not want our vote. I mean to oblige him.
 
Been away lately, but I assume there's been a bunch of these rationalizations being used to try to sway our vote here...

But sorry, after the way Romney and the establishemnt cheated and disenfranchised our people at every turn rather than embracing new members to their party, they have surely lost any possible chance of the vast majority of us even considering voting for Romney.

And regardless, most here wouldn't vote for a corrupt establishment lackey on either side of the aisle in the first place, so there's that....

Honestly not trying to sway voters -- I joined to chat, but have been moving in this direction. I fully shared information about myself and was upfront about my position. Even asking two fully opposite questions to close my post - giving people two directions/paths to talk and talk about. So I don't like you commenting that I am trying to sway anyone, but asking to talk with people about this election and the use of their vote.....of course also asking Why?
 
Haha, I actually enjoy the desperation of them saying "but, but, Obama sucks!". Should have thought about that when you called the race for Romney and pissed all over us.

I am not part of the republican party, I never voted for him in a primary
and I am surely have not voted for Obama in any way either.

I agree these are two bad choices, but you really can't find a difference between the "Largest Goverment President" we have seen in a long time and Romney?
 
You get to choose a head that's compatible with the monster.......Doesn't make any difference which head you choose so long as the monster survives..
 
I see one getting rid of Obama Care -- or did you find that constitutional?
And replacing it with Romney Care..... Nope... nowhere in the constitution is there any authorization for national healthcare.
 
Come back when you understand the irony of that statement...

Reading it, I understand your point. But are you saying you either have freedom or you dont? Let me say it this way, Obama wants a larger goverment and more control over your life than Romney - and a vote for G.J. is a vote for Larger Government Obama.

I did not want to get into a debate with everyone, I wanted to talk about ideas, but all these posts are personal and all are direct attacks at me -- this isn't what I had in mind. Does anyone here want to share ideas??? or just yell and be angry?
 
You get to choose a head that's compatible with the monster.......Doesn't make any difference which head you choose so long as the monster survives..

and how do we kill the monster? vote for a person that makes the monster grow larger and faster and more out of control - making it harder to kill and correct in the future? That is waht a vote for G.J. will do because Obama will make this government as large as he can and unable to be corrected, maybe forever.
 
Reading it, I understand your point. But are you saying you either have freedom or you dont? Let me say it this way, Obama wants a larger goverment and more control over your life than Romney - and a vote for G.J. is a vote for Larger Government Obama.

I did not want to get into a debate with everyone, I wanted to talk about ideas, but all these posts are personal and all are direct attacks at me -- this isn't what I had in mind. Does anyone here want to share ideas??? or just yell and be angry?

I think people have just worked through this many many many times and have come to the conclusion the biggest difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama would only have four more years. That if Romney is better, it is by such a slim hair still way in the wrong direction, that the half duration less makes up for it. Personally, I refuse to legitimize either with my vote.

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