Libertarian (R) Phil Lyman Semi-endorses Democrat for Utah Governor

[dannno]

Ok.. this one is complicated.

Phil Lyman is a straight up libertarian, he was arrested by the Feds and spent time in prison (felony) for protesting on BLM land where the feds wanted to prohibit offroad vehicles with a bunch of Gadsden flag waving libertarians, and his political stances are very libertarian. Trump pardoned him, which allowed him to run for Governor.

He ran against Utah's current "woke" Republican Governor Spencer Cox in the primary. At the Republican State Convention, Phil Lyman beat Cox by a huge margin (67.5% - 32.5%).

This forced the incumbent Spencer Cox to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to collect signatures to get on the Primary ballot, where Cox beat Lyman 55% - 45%. There is also a pretty good indication that the signatures were bogus, since they paid people per signature to collect them, and that he didn't actually get enough valid signatures.

Lyman just ran an ad with Cox' Democrat opponent telling Republicans to write him in for Governor even if it means Cox loses the election and Utah gets a Democrat Governor.

https://x.com/KingForUtah/status/1824100259976581383

Is this a bad strategy? Well.... actually it might be a good strategy.

The Utah legislature is so conservative that they often pass bills with a veto-proof majority that Cox refuses to sign. So from a legislative perspective, it may not make much difference who wins.

Utah doesn't have term limits, so if Cox wins, he will probably win again in 4 years. If he loses, this weakens his candidacy in four years and gives Lyman a shot at winning.. that is, if getting a Democrat elected Governor doesn't sour Republicans on him too much.

The difference between Governor Cox and Representative King is that King is honest about his intentions while @SpencerJCox
hides his left-leaning, globalist agenda behind the R next to his name. The evidence of his lack of conservative credentials is easy to find. From his embrace of the climate accords mandated by the Olympics to his use of pronouns with middle schoolers; from his refusal to vote for President Trump over Biden until his last minute flip flop to his veto of the bill that kept boys out of girls sports; from his leftist donors to his selling out our children for $1 billion in DEI funding, Spencer Cox is not a conservative. I believe Utah is a red state that wants a conservative governor. When well-informed Republican delegates voted in a convention run by an organization neutral to both candidates (not the Lt Governor who herself is on the ticket), I overwhelmingly won over Cox. I want Utahns to have the option to vote for a true conservative in November and that is why I’m running as a write in.
#utpol
#WriteInPhilLyman

https://x.com/phil_lyman/status/1824115149441302631

 

[PAF]

What's complicated? It's done all of the time. A few years back I helped a libertarian run on a D ticket in Ohio because of the demographics, they would never vote "R". Ron Paul has even suggested that a few times.

He||, look who's running for POTUS on the "R" ticket again. That should tell you right there lol.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

What's complicated? It's done all of the time. A few years back I helped a libertarian run on a D ticket in Ohio because of the demographics, they would never vote "R". Ron Paul has even suggested that a few times.

He||, look who's running for POTUS on the "R" ticket again. That should tell you right there lol.

demographics play a important part its time for Rs and Libertarian to understand that game.


This is how Liberals lie to people that they pretend to represent.
The Liberals know this game.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nothing complicated about it...Torpedo Cox.

 

[unknown]

Which jerkoff Utah Governor was it that vetoed Constitutional Carry?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ok.. this one is complicated.

Phil Lyman is a straight up libertarian, he was arrested by the Feds and spent time in prison (felony) for protesting on BLM land where the feds wanted to prohibit offroad vehicles with a bunch of Gadsden flag waving libertarians, and his political stances are very libertarian. Trump pardoned him, which allowed him to run for Governor.

He ran against Utah's current "woke" Republican Governor Spencer Cox in the primary. At the Republican State Convention, Phil Lyman beat Cox by a huge margin (67.5% - 32.5%).

This forced the incumbent Spencer Cox to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to collect signatures to get on the Primary ballot, where Cox beat Lyman 55% - 45%. There is also a pretty good indication that the signatures were bogus, since they paid people per signature to collect them, and that he didn't actually get enough valid signatures.

Lyman just ran an ad with Cox' Democrat opponent telling Republicans to write him in for Governor even if it means Cox loses the election and Utah gets a Democrat Governor.

https://x.com/KingForUtah/status/1824100259976581383

Is this a bad strategy? Well.... actually it might be a good strategy.

The Utah legislature is so conservative that they often pass bills with a veto-proof majority that Cox refuses to sign. So from a legislative perspective, it may not make much difference who wins.

Utah doesn't have term limits, so if Cox wins, he will probably win again in 4 years. If he loses, this weakens his candidacy in four years and gives Lyman a shot at winning.. that is, if getting a Democrat elected Governor doesn't sour Republicans on him too much.

https://x.com/phil_lyman/status/1824115149441302631

In this case, it MAY be the right thing to do, unlike when the Ls helped Beshear steal Kentucky from Bevin.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Which jerkoff Utah Governor was it that vetoed Constitutional Carry?

Pretty sure that was Cox.

 

[dannno]

Which jerkoff Utah Governor was it that vetoed Constitutional Carry?

Pretty sure that was Cox.

Hopefully @Swordsmyth can provide some more history.. I do know that there is Constitutional/permitless carry currently, and it appears Cox signed it? Was it a veto-proof majority?


Gov. Spencer Cox signs bill to eliminate requirement of permit to carry concealed gun
Feb. 12, 2021

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/02/13/gov-spencer-cox-signs/


Cox approves bill gun safety groups asked him to veto. Here's what it does
March 14, 2024

HB119 — which was passed during the last week of the recent legislative session — creates the Educator-Protector Program where teachers who undergo annual firearm training can securely carry guns at school to respond to an intruder or active shooter.

https://www.ksl.com/article/5095076...y-groups-asked-him-to-veto-heres-what-it-does

 

[Swordsmyth]

Hopefully @Swordsmyth can provide some more history.. I do know that there is Constitutional/permitless carry currently, and it appears Cox signed it? Was it a veto-proof majority?


Gov. Spencer Cox signs bill to eliminate requirement of permit to carry concealed gun
Feb. 12, 2021

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/02/13/gov-spencer-cox-signs/


Cox approves bill gun safety groups asked him to veto. Here's what it does
March 14, 2024
https://www.ksl.com/article/5095076...y-groups-asked-him-to-veto-heres-what-it-does

I've never lived in Utah, so I can't help you there.
But my general memory from seeing the occasional headline is that he's a RINO who has his finger in the wind and bends to the will of the people/legislature just enough to try to get reelected as the lesser of two evils.
The McConnell type.

 

[dannno]

I've never lived in Utah, so I can't help you there.
But my general memory from seeing the occasional headline is that he's a RINO who has his finger in the wind and bends to the will of the people/legislature just enough to try to get reelected as the lesser of two evils.
The McConnell type.

Utah is one of those states at the forefront of trying to get back federal land. 70% of the land is owned by the Feds. There have been fights over national monuments that were expanded under EO authority (non-congressional, namely Obama) and now it looks like Cox is behind a lawsuit that he hopes will get to the Supreme Court that will returned ALL land that is not congressionally allocated (i.e. National Parks, Monuments, Wilderness land), so all the open BLM land basically, as well as the land expanded on by EO back to the state.. which would create a huge precedent for other states to do the same.

It was just announced on the news today.. It does seem like Cox legitimately is a fighter on this issue, and it was this very issue that got Lyman arrested.. I'm not sure if he is doing this for political purposes, the timing is suspect, but apparently the Democrat running against him is not on board, or not as on board on this issue as Cox is.


Video at link

https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front/utah-sues-federal-gov-public-lands/

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC4) — Utah leaders filed a lawsuit against the federal government over control of public lands on Tuesday, placing the long-standing issue before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Gov. Cox announced the lawsuit in a press conference on Tuesday, Aug. 20, saying Utahns should be in control of the state’s public lands.


Cox said the federal government controls nearly 70% of Utah’s lands, comparing that number to several other states with only one to three percent of their lands controlled by the federal government.


“We are asking the Supreme Court to weigh in on a critical question,” Cox said.


Attorney General Sean Reyes said the question is: “Whether the federal government can simply hold unappropriated lands within a state indefinitely over the objection of that state.”

https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front/utah-sues-federal-gov-public-lands/

 

[Swordsmyth]

Utah is one of those states at the forefront of trying to get back federal land. 70% of the land is owned by the Feds. There have been fights over national monuments that were expanded under EO authority (non-congressional, namely Obama) and now it looks like Cox is behind a lawsuit that he hopes will get to the Supreme Court that will returned ALL land that is not congressionally allocated (i.e. National Parks, Monuments, Wilderness land), so all the open BLM land basically, as well as the land expanded on by EO back to the state.. which would create a huge precedent for other states to do the same.

It was just announced on the news today.. It does seem like Cox legitimately is a fighter on this issue, and it was this very issue that got Lyman arrested.. I'm not sure if he is doing this for political purposes, the timing is suspect, but apparently the Democrat running against him is not on board, or not as on board on this issue as Cox is.


Video at link

https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front/utah-sues-federal-gov-public-lands/



https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front/utah-sues-federal-gov-public-lands/

You're making the case that this is more assistant Demoncrat shenanigans.
It makes me wonder if Lyman was going to throw the election if he had won the primary.

 

[dannno]

You're making the case that this is more assistant Demoncrat shenanigans.
It makes me wonder if Lyman was going to throw the election if he had won the primary.

The ad came out before Cox announced the lawsuit, but the lawsuit has other members of the state government behind it as well. It seems this is one issue he is good on, as well as gun rights, at least to some extent.. not sure where he is on red flag laws. But he also uses pronouns with middle schoolers, and Lyman listed like 10 other things that he was really bad on during one of his convention speeches, for example a lot of conservatives claim that Cox is responsible for making Utah a "sanctuary state", they give driver's licenses to illegals and such.. I do trust Lyman quite a bit. I was wondering if Cox had this planned as more of a political stunt, I don't really trust him. On the other hand, I'm not 100% ready to help throw the election to the Democrat based on these two important issues.