Libertarian Party Presidential nomination poll

Who should the Libertarian Party nominate for President?

  • Gov. James G. Janos

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Gov. Gary E. Johnson

    Votes: 6 14.0%
  • Mr. John D. McAfee (*)

    Votes: 20 46.5%
  • Mr. Darryl W. Perry

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Mr. Austin W. Petersen

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Mr. Lester N. Smith III

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mr. Vermin L. Supreme

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Ms. Ivanka M. Trump

    Votes: 4 9.3%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
He was born on an american base to american citizens. Both on American soil and by parentage.

This is interesting and I am still sussing through it. According to the DoD U.S. bases are American soil. According to the State Dept. they are not ( because 14th amendment). "Jus sanguinus" makes one a citizen. I don't know that it makes one "natural born" WRT "Jus soli." Still, digging, but I've got to run out and continue getting things taken care of around the house. Damn you life, damn you! Pay me to research damned you! :p
 
LOL. Well I guess since she's ineligible to vote for her daddie in the New York primary due to her own negligence that qualifies her to be the Libertarian nominee. Seriously though, is she even running for that? :eek:
It depends on how badly the Trump family wants Hillary in the White House.
 
This is interesting and I am still sussing through it. According to the DoD U.S. bases are American soil. According to the State Dept. they are not ( because 14th amendment). "Jus sanguinus" makes one a citizen. I don't know that it makes one "natural born" WRT "Jus soli." Still, digging, but I've got to run out and continue getting things taken care of around the house. Damn you life, damn you! Pay me to research damned you! :p

Not to interfere with you have life in the world :) but jus sanguinus goes back to english law before the constitution was signed. That means no statute was passed after the Constitution was signed - it was already defined as such. The english defined it as if the father, and later sometimes if the father and mother, were parents. Nowhere did it say anything about just the mother.

Most of the democrat lawyers in the link (and the links from that link) agree with me you need to go back to common law to see it defined.

Differences (with the democrat lawyers - who nevertheless say Cruz is ineligible - but will never be talking about McAfee):

Most of them say nothing about parentage. You always needed parentage. Anchor babies are a new invention. Slaves, indians, and foreigners never gave birth to americans just because they were born in the right place.

None of the talk about dual citizenship. Dual citizenship is excluded in common law - you were either one or the other.

If you were working for government it was considered differently than just being a civilian living overseas.

The big one. Under the original law, it was not the mother, it was the father - or later the father and mother, never the mother alone, where parentage mattered.

Only Cruz's mother was a citizen (if she remained one), born in Canada to a civilian, father fought for a hostile foreign power - Castro.
Only Obama's mother was a citizen (if she remained one), might have been born in America? to a civilian, mother might have been a communist - hostile foreign power.
McAfee was born to an American father (no data on when mother got citizenship), on a us base, while his father worked for the US government.

McAfee meets the original common law criteria because his *father* is a citizen, as well as being actively employed by the government, as well as the original intent of the phrase to keep out the influence of a foreign power.
 
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Not to interfere with you have life in the world :) but jus sanguinus goes back to english law before the constitution was signed. That means no statute was passed after the Constitution was signed - it was already defined as such. The english defined it as if the father, and later sometimes if the father and mother, were parents. Nowhere did it say anything about just the mother.

Most of the democrat lawyers in the link (and the links from that link) agree with me you need to go back to common law to see it defined.

Differences (with the democrat lawyers - who nevertheless say Cruz is ineligible - but will never be talking about McAfee):

Most of them say nothing about parentage. You always needed parentage. Anchor babies are a new invention. Slaves, indians, and foreigners never gave birth to americans just because they were born in the right place.

None of the talk about dual citizenship. Dual citizenship is excluded in common law - you were either one or the other.

If you were working for government it was considered differently than just being a civilian living overseas.

The big one. Under the original law, it was not the mother, it was the father - or later the father and mother, never the mother alone, where parentage mattered.

Only Cruz's mother was a citizen (if she remained one), born in Canada to a civilian, father fought for a hostile foreign power - Castro.
Only Obama's mother was a citizen (if she remained one), might have been born in America? to a civilian, mother might have been a communist - hostile foreign power.
McAfee was born to an American father (no data on when mother got citizenship), on a us base, while his father worked for the US government.

McAfee meets the original common law criteria because his *father* is a citizen, as well as being actively employed by the government, as well as the original intent of the phrase to keep out the influence of a foreign power.

Understood. As I said am still sussing it out. Had I been born on a foreign base as opposed to an U.S. continental base, by an American father and mother, I don't see how that should make me ineligible from seeking POTUS. But, it is an interesting subject that involves deeper digging. Danke provided Vattel as a source. I also want to look into Blackstone.
 
Understood. As I said am still sussing it out. Had I been born on a foreign base as opposed to an U.S. continental base, by an American father and mother, I don't see how that should make me ineligible from seeking POTUS. But, it is an interesting subject that involves deeper digging. Danke provided Vattel as a source. I also want to look into Blackstone.

Yeah, can't possibly be that way even if someone could make the case that it is. That would mean that military men and women serving overseas would have to give up the possibility of their offspring ever becoming President... as a pre-requisite to serving their country... Yeah, no court would ever agree to that interpretation.
 
A standing imperial overseas army is repugnant, antithetical, and foreign to America's rightful republican values.

Completely besides the point and not relevant to this conversation at all.

Are you telling me that if a general was off fighting a war against an aggressor and his wife bore a child at a base that that child could never become President because it was somehow not a natural-born citizen of the country for whom his father was fighting?! Yeah... no.

(Seriously, these Trump guys are all screwed up. Their blind allegiance is screwing with their heads.)
 
so much bitching and whining about the current republicrat field but only 21 votes in this thread... hmmmm
 
Johnson of course. I don't think this is a joke at all. There are going to be a lot of pissed off Republicans if Trump is nominated. If enough vote Johnson to get 5%, the LP gets matching funds next time and could actually go somewhere.
 
I voted. Do I get a sticker?

here ya go
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Johnson of course. I don't think this is a joke at all. There are going to be a lot of pissed off Republicans if Trump is nominated. If enough vote Johnson to get 5%, the LP gets matching funds next time and could actually go somewhere.

Pissed off Republicans is the reason Johnson isn't going anywhere. He's in favor of state blessed gay marriage, forcing businesses to bake cakes for gay weddings, and unrestricted abortion. And that's just what he said in the two hours of televised debate.
He's not exactly a disaffected Republican magnet.
 
Pissed off Republicans is the reason Johnson isn't going anywhere. He's in favor of state blessed gay marriage, forcing businesses to bake cakes for gay weddings, and unrestricted abortion. And that's just what he said in the two hours of televised debate.
He's not exactly a disaffected Republican magnet.

They aren't voting for Johnson to win. They will use him as a protest vote.

I think you need to realize that 95% of voters don't care about the minutia of policy. Disaffected Republicans just think Trump is a dick and will never vote for him.
 
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