Libertarian National Convention

[majinkoola]

Man...Libertarians have the issues down pat, but most of them don't know how to speak in public at all.

 

[WRellim]

You're dense....Ron Paul is still running for president. Why would he endorse someone else?


And one more thing. I see Barr admitting to past mistakes and leading by example. I see Ruwart preaching a message but moving in the opposite direction by proposing taxes and fees. Big difference. Barr is making an honest effort. It seems like Ruwart is lost in her pandering.,

RP isn't "running" for anything anymore, he's not even "walking" or "crawling"... total recent campaign activities have been what? Giving a speech at a grandson's High School? WOW... not THAT is an impressive campaign.

I see Barr giving a LIP SERVICE form of "apology" while maintaining basically the same STATIST positions he had before.

Ruwart has a long history of activity in the LP... back to 83 and before (I think that's about the time frame Barr was on the CIA payroll... or maybe shortly thereafter).

 

[Kludge]

I'm ignoring the facts?? How is "additional resources to Columbia to fight the drug war" - a position Barr CURRENTLY holds - opposing the drug war? Sorry your guy holds a bunch of anti-libertarian positions, you might as well admit it.

Cite please...

 

[qh4dotcom]

I can't STAND Gravel.....

If he's on the ticket...yay I'm bolting the Republican party and the Libertarian Party....and forming my own personal party called the I-Hate-All-Politicians party.

You got another choice...the Constitution Party and Chuck Baldwin

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Dude, you don't get it...Ron Paul will NEVER endorse Bob Barr....not now and also when Ron Paul is not running for president

How do you know that? You aren't in his head. He's said before he respects Barr.

 

[Kludge]

You got another choice...the Constitution Party and Chuck Baldwin

Oh God.... You preach against statism but want to weaken the wall between Church and State?

 

[RSLudlum]

Dude, you don't get it...Ron Paul will NEVER endorse Bob Barr....not now and also when Ron Paul is not running for president

Didn't Barr introduce RP at CPAC??

 

[crazyfingers]

Cite please...

http://bobbarr.org/default.asp?pt=newsdescr&RI=931

This article appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution just over two months ago.

 

[Bradley in DC]

No no no, she panders to the Ron Paul message without fully understanding it and that's my problem. I don't totally buy it. Watch the debate last night..she's very unsure, proposed taxes, changed it to fees, and used the old "troops defending oil" argument. You need to understand the economic impact of the war, the devaluation of the dollar etc. It's all intertwined. Fees and taxes are counterproductive....Again, you may think that was a slip on her part, but it shows me there is something not to sure of her message inside.

I think she did terribly last night, yes, but I *do* think she understands and agrees with Dr. Paul's agenda. But that's worse: being right on the message and screwing up the messaging can create problems.

 

[kombayn]

Don't worry the people that hate Bob Barr hate politics in general. They are the same people who say Mike Gravel is evil, when he single-handily ended the Vietnam War or call Ralph Nader a socialist pig, when he in fact is one of the highest regarded consumer advocates. So you have to take their ranting with a grain of salt.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

RP isn't "running" for anything anymore, he's not even "walking" or "crawling"... total recent campaign activities have been what? Giving a speech at a grandson's High School? WOW... not THAT is an impressive campaign.

I see Barr giving a LIP SERVICE form of "apology" while maintaining basically the same STATIST positions he had before.

Ruwart has a long history of activity in the LP... back to 83 and before (I think that's about the time frame Barr was on the CIA payroll... or maybe shortly thereafter).

If she is so purely libertarian and a pillar of the party I consider it sacreligious to even suggest fees and taxes. She is not sure of herself and it's evident when she speaks. She will be torn to shreds by a hillary or mccain. Barr is far from giving lip service. He broke away from the republicans at a pivotal time. He knows what's right and he is sincere. I suggest you go on Barr's website and read his position. He hasn't been contradicting himself like Ruwart has.

 

[kombayn]

Didn't Barr introduce RP at CPAC??

Yes he did. Honestly I think Dr. Paul will endorse both the CP and LP nominees. And god the guy doing this speech right now Joe Johnson (Not the Freakishly Awesome Basketball Star, some white dude) is a horrible, horrible, speaker.

 

[Kludge]

http://bobbarr.org/default.asp?pt=newsdescr&RI=931

This article appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution just over two months ago.

I didn't see where he called for resources to fight the drug war. I did see "While Washington's current national security worldview remains focused like a laser beam on Iraq and Afghanistan, fires smolder and burn elsewhere. Shifting at least a portion of that concern and those resources to South America, and especially to the Andean region that currently is near the boiling point, is critical to our security. There may not be weapons of mass destruction lurking in the jungles of Venezuela, Colombia or Ecuador (there weren't in Iraq either, of course), but arms are flowing into the area. Venezuela, for example, is buying billions of dollars worth of Russian military equipment. Leftist guerrillas and narco-terrorists remain firmly entrenched in the region, and evidence that other terrorist groups are using the area for problematic purposes is mounting." which is not entirely libertarian but.. *shrug*

 

[crazyfingers]

If she is so purely libertarian and a pillar of the party I consider it sacreligious to even suggest fees and taxes. She is not sure of herself and it's evident when she speaks. She will be torn to shreds by a hillary or mccain. Barr is far from giving lip service. He broke away from the republicans at a pivotal time. He knows what's right and he is sincere. I suggest you go on Barr's website and read his position. He hasn't been contradicting himself like Ruwart has.

Where will the money come from in order to allocate resources to fight the drug war in South America?

 

[majinkoola]

Don't worry the people that hate Bob Barr hate politics in general. They are the same people who say Mike Gravel is evil, when he single-handily ended the Vietnam War or call Ralph Nader a socialist pig, when he in fact is one of the highest regarded consumer advocates. So you have to take their ranting with a grain of salt.

A voice of reason.

 

[kombayn]

If she is so purely libertarian and a pillar of the party I consider it sacreligious to even suggest fees and taxes. She is not sure of herself and it's evident when she speaks. She will be torn to shreds by a hillary or mccain. Barr is far from giving lip service. He broke away from the republicans at a pivotal time. He knows what's right and he is sincere. I suggest you go on Barr's website and read his position. He hasn't been contradicting himself like Ruwart has.

Correct! Bob Barr has clearly stated on issues that it's up to the States to decide Drug Laws, Same-Sex Marriage Laws, etc.

That's Dr. Paul stance and it's the most righteous, no State should be forced to hold up Federal Laws that infringe the States' Laws.

 

[crazyfingers]

I didn't see where he called for resources to fight the drug war. I did see "While Washington's current national security worldview remains focused like a laser beam on Iraq and Afghanistan, fires smolder and burn elsewhere. Shifting at least a portion of that concern and those resources to South America, and especially to the Andean region that currently is near the boiling point, is critical to our security. There may not be weapons of mass destruction lurking in the jungles of Venezuela, Colombia or Ecuador (there weren't in Iraq either, of course), but arms are flowing into the area. Venezuela, for example, is buying billions of dollars worth of Russian military equipment. Leftist guerrillas and narco-terrorists remain firmly entrenched in the region, and evidence that other terrorist groups are using the area for problematic purposes is mounting." which is not entirely libertarian but.. *shrug*

Shifting at least a portion of that concern and those resources to South America, and especially to the Andean region that currently is near the boiling point, is critical to our security.

He is not a dumb man. He is talking like the lawyer. But the implication is clear.

 

[Kludge]

Don't worry the people that hate Bob Barr hate politics in general. They are the same people who say Mike Gravel is evil, when he single-handily ended the Vietnam War or call Ralph Nader a socialist pig, when he in fact is one of the highest regarded consumer advocates. So you have to take their ranting with a grain of salt.

What are you talking about? Politics is a war of ideologies. Mike Gravel and Ralph Nadar are bleeding heart liberals. Consumer advocacy is great if done by non-binding opinion - putting it into law is aggression and unacceptable.

 

[Michael Ingram]

Summary of what has happened so far?

 

[speciallyblend]

Go Mary

I'm pulling for Mary Ruwart