Libertarian Candidate Richard Ehrbar helps push for Ohio equal marriage rights referendum

[Tod]

As an Ohioan, I would say that Ehrbar would probably do better if he were running as a Dem. I don't think Ohioans are ready for same sex marriage. Just recently we allowed gambling.

 

[seyferjm]

As an Ohioan, I would say that Ehrbar would probably do better if he were running as a Dem. I don't think Ohioans are ready for same sex marriage. Just recently we allowed gambling.

This.

 

[UMULAS]

Totalitarians.... Totalitarians everywhere......

 

[The Free Hornet]

The Libertarian party may be for that. But that just proves that the Libertarians aren't libertarians, because their position has nothing at all to do with advancing liberty.

Are you trying to be an uninformed, uneducated troll?:

Libertarian Party 2012 Platform

1.3 Personal Relationships

Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

www.lp.org/platform

 

[erowe1]

Are you trying to be an uninformed, uneducated troll?:

No. What you quote from me there is my response to what someone else said. I believe that if you go back and look, you'll see their quote in my post.

Also, a troll here would not be someone who criticizes the Libertarian Party. It would be someone who supports same-sex marriage.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Are you trying to be an uninformed, uneducated troll?:

Oh, so Gary Johnson is not adhering to the platform either. Hmm.

We need to push the no-government solution, because it has pros for both sides.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Oh, so Gary Johnson is not adhering to the platform either. Hmm.

We need to push the no-government solution, because it has pros for both sides.

WRT this Ohio Amendment, I do not believe it embiggens government:

Title: The Freedom to Marry and Religious Freedom Amendment

Summary: This amendment would repeal and replace Section 11, Article XV of the Constitution to:
1. Allow two consenting adults freedom to enter into a marriage regardless of gender;
2. Give religious institutions freedom to determine whom to marry;
3. Give religious institutions protection to refuse to perform a marriage.

Full text of Amendment
Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio that Article XV, Section 11 of the Ohio Constitution be adopted and read as follows: Section 11. In the State of Ohio and its political subdivisions, marriage shall be a union of two consenting adults not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a husband or wife living, and no religious institution shall be required to perform or recognize a marriage.

(The Section below is being repealed)
Section 11. Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this state and its political subdivisions. This state and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage.

freedomohio.com/main/issue.php

What I really love about the section they wish to repeal is that it fucking blows away all the bullshit arguments that you can do all that marriage stuff through contracts: "shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage". It may be ambiguous with regards to "qualities, significance" but it is a clear attack on the individual's freedom to engage in contracts and freedom of association. I wish I knew about this text when debating a few other people here. As this outlaws civil unions, it sinks a lot of bad arguments.

That 2004 amendment was bad even by the standards of the anti-gay marriage types here.

 

[Smart3]

not nearer of kin than second cousins
That's complete bs.

 

[The Free Hornet]

not nearer of kin than second cousins
That's complete bs.

Hmmm...

Although Ohio does not presently allow first cousin marriage, this is - AFAIK - a legislative ban and not a constitutional one.

As I have no metric by which to judge the suitability of gay marriage versus (first or first once removed) cousin marriage, I must officially and humbly withdraw support for this amendment. I do not believe it embiggens government as the repealed section is worse but it does ask me to needlessly weigh the freedom of one group versus another group.

It is a stupid mistake to make even if the gay marriages will greatly outnumber the straight or gay cousin marriages. There was no point in adding that to the constitution. How much support do they get by further prohibiting an already prohibited act? The 2004 amendment is bad but it doesn't deal with cousin lovin':

Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this state and its political subdivisions. This state and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage.