Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor 2014 Adrian Wyllie

I wouldn't go broke on this candidate (just based on location- LP in Florida aint happening) but I certainly will vote for him, after my due diligence of course.

Hell, I voted for Johnson as my protest vote for 2012 and I'm not that high on Johnson. Just to make my own point, I felt I needed to.
Thanks for the tip on your guy. Will research him.
 
I wouldn't go broke on this candidate (just based on location- LP in Florida aint happening) but I certainly will vote for him, after my due diligence of course.

Hell, I voted for Johnson as my protest vote for 2012 and I'm not that high on Johnson. Just to make my own point, I felt I needed to.
Thanks for the tip on your guy. Will research him.

I agree with you. The bottom line is he is the only candidate that deserves my vote and he will get my vote. I'm not saying just because I'm going to vote for him, that he will win. I don't vote to bet on being with the winning team. If he wins or if he loses, I did the best I could to help and I did the right thing. I am only one person, I can't change the world on my own, but I can do my part. I will NEVER vote for the 'lessor of two evils' again. I'm glad there is another choice for me in this election and I would be stupid and a hypocrite if I didn't vote for him. Sure I can stay home and not vote thinking 'oh, he won't win anyway' or I could do even worse and vote for a globalist scumbag, thereby aiding the enemy. I choose to vote for Adrian Wyllie.
 
Examples, not exhaustive (one would be sufficient):
Adam Dick, Wisconsin State Elections Board
Mariam Luce, New Hampshire State Liquor Commission
John Babiarz, New Hampshire Efficiency in Government Commission

The United States has no nationwide races, other than President and vice-President.

None of those were by winning elections. They were all appointed to those positions.

Have any LP candidates ever in history won any statewide elections?
 
Are the people on this forum really that easy to take?

You've 100% missed the point of supporting a candidate. I'm surprised anybody on this forum is really that stupid. You've fallen for the biggest scam of TPTB. Don't try to pussyfoot out of this by restricting scope to "can he win" bullshit. The first supporter and the one to make a plurality candidate can each logically believe with equal vigor. It's not your place to rain on their parade. That's why dumbfucks spend so much on cable bills so the MSM can rain on the parade. Where's your cut for being a wet blanket? That's right, you got shit.

I feel much better abstaining and not playing into the delusion that our votes even matter.

I won't try to convince you voting matters, but if you do vote, vote 3rd party (or a STRONG liberty candidate like Paul, Amash, etc).

Here is copy/paste article. Basically, not voting third party is bad game theory [click the link, read the article - copied so it doesn't get lost to the ages]:

Game Theory and the American Two-Party Racket
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Here we refer again to a recurring theme of this site: how American politics is, under the present regime, basically a one party system, with two colluding “wings” — Democrats and Republicans.

The argument presented in this post is that this is exactly what you’d expect to find if a single special interest coalition wished to control a country. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that in some hypothetical country there was a group of people who wished to control the government and to benefit themselves by manipulating government decisions in ways that were potentially harmful to the population at large.

Suppose, further, that these ruling interests first founded or bankrolled a single party only, which tried to gain control of the government. That might work in a dictatorship, but in a democracy like the United States, where people can in theory vote an aversive regime, it is difficult. After a few years, people would get tired of the oppression, identify the government as the cause, and elect a new government. Therefore it would not be in the interests of such vested interests to form a single party only, and to try to control the government by that means.

Suppose instead, then, that this group formed two nominal parties, and that these two parties shared control of the government, alternating, so that only one was in power at any given time. By this means the special interests could then exploit a population indefinitely. When the public got tired of the oppression of party A, then party B could come to the fore, denouncing party A. People could then vote party B into office, believing that in this way they had acted to end oppression. However, under the conditions of the example, party B would also be “owned” by the special interests. Nothing really would change. In this way, the special interests would become effectively immune to the corrective actions of public indignation.

Crucial to this scheme would to to convince people that they must vote only for one of these two main parties, and to dissuade them from voting for third-party candidates. One effective means for this is to dominate news media with coverage of two main parties. A second strategy would rely on the ultimate tried-and-true principle for mass manipulation: fear. That is, make both main party candidates so extreme that people will be forced to vote against one of them; this is facilitated by selecting platforms that divide the electorate as close as possible to a 50/50 split — that way nobody will be willing to vote for a third-party candidate, because each person believes that his or her own vote is crucial in preventing the less desirable mainstream candidate from winning.

This would be the perfect racket, scheme, or con-game. It would let vested interests remain in power indefinitely, continuing to exploit the population. Now, (1) since this would indeed be a very effective strategy for powerful vested interests, and would benefit them greatly, (2) since existing American special interests (big finance, defense contractors, etc.) are quite capable of manipulating two different parties, and (3) since, as outlined above, it gains them very little to manipulate only a single party, then we must seriously consider that this dual-party manipulation is actually occurring.

We might also note some specific evidence of this. First, it is well known that many corporations make campaign contributions to both the Democrats and the Republicans. There is absolutely nothing to prevent this. (Anyone who still thinks that big business only contributes to the Republicans is very naive!) Second, the news media (which is part of big business) tells us very little about third-party and independent political candidates and viewpoints. Rather, they devote inordinate amounts of space to petty squabbles between the Republicans and the Democrats, which fits with our model here.

Okay, that’s the argument. Some readers probably already accept that this is going on. Others are welcome to think about it. If you do agree that this is what’s happening, the answer is obvious: one should vote for some party other than the Republicans/Democrats. Even if this doesn’t change the government in 2012, it serves as a protest vote. It will gradually (or perhaps not so gradually) force the Republicans and Democrats to develop more rational and productive platforms. Further, it signifies that you yourself have extricated yourself from the game.

Most of all, I wish to encourage people reconsider entrenched ways of thinking about Republicans versus Democrats. If the model proposed here is correct, then if one is a staunch Democrat who hates Republicans, or vice versa, then I propose that one is succumbing to the false rhetoric of these parties; one is buying into the specious controversies which the parties and their special interest owners engineer to give the mere appearance of their having two different points of views..

Look at the evidence. Yes, we’ve had a Democrat in the White House for 4 years, and things are bad. But before that we had Republican president for 8 years, and things were bad then. Previous to that, we had a Democrat president along with a deeply troubled economy and imperialistic foreign policy. (True, on paper, the economy then was booming in the 90’s. But how much of that was the result of a hyperinflated stock market? Everyone was delighted when their pension plans, heavily invested in the stock market, doubled in value. But who was asking if this was sustainable? Or moral?) At the same time people were still working like dogs in high-stress jobs, commuting 1 hour to and from work, and breathing polluted air. The country then, as now, suffered from massive epidemics of stress-related psychosomatic diseases. In short, the quality of life was bad under Clinton, a Democrat, under George W. Bush, a Republican, and now under Obama, a Democrat. During none of these administrations was there anything even remotely close to a realistic long-term vision or plan for the country.

We can keep going back and forth like this, changing the name and the superficial appearance of the ruling party, telling ourselves that it matters; or we can wake up and smell the coffee, and throw both sets of bums out of office. What’ll it be?

Related post: Why Vote Third-Party?
 
"You've 100% missed the point of supporting a candidate. I'm surprised anybody on this forum is really that stupid. You've fallen for the biggest scam of TPTB. Don't try to pussyfoot out of this by restricting scope to "can he win" bullshit. The first supporter and the one to make a plurality candidate can each logically believe with equal vigor. It's not your place to rain on their parade. That's why dumbfucks spend so much on cable bills so the MSM can rain on the parade. Where's your cut for being a wet blanket? That's right, you got shit."

In the light of what happened in Iowa, I stand by my statement. Just because someone claims a label does not grant them my support. I wonder what his organization will do with leftover cash after the ballots are cast? Mmmm? Yeah, I am highly skeptical that people will run as a libertarian or whatever because its a proven way to make money on "donations." If you got a problem with that, it is your problem. Deal with it, kiddo. I am not saying that is the case here, but when a new member posts for fundraising, my eyebrows are going up for sure. Why didn't the man himself come?

And no, I'll not "fuck-off".
 
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The bottom line is he is the only candidate that deserves my vote and he will get my vote.

What exactly has he done to "deserve" your vote? No candidate deserves anything from me. If I vote for them I do so because I choose to, and believe they are the best of the choices before me. If I contribute to their campaign, it is because I choose to do so and want to do so, not because I feel that candidate deserves anything. I agree that voting for the lessor of two evils, is wrong. You are still voting for evil. If you think simply abstaining aids the enemy, then you are clueless as to how things really work. I am guessing you are young, early to mid 20 range? I walked around with my head in the clouds then as well.

I won't try to convince you voting matters, but if you do vote, vote 3rd party (or a STRONG liberty candidate like Paul, Amash, etc).

I know how to vote, if I *choose* to do so. Last election, I wrote in Ron Paul, and it felt great. If Rand gets the nomination, not only will I vote for him, but I will make sure to drag my friends kicking and screaming to the booths to vote for him as well. At this time, I am not convinced even Rand Paul can pull off getting the nomination. I have watched things long enough to know, how things work. When we come up with a winning game plan that is making end roads, THEY change the rules mid game to their favor. When our candidate is about to score and win, THEY move the goal line to deny a win. When we do pull off a win, THEY spin it to make it look like a loss OR re-write the rules and manipulate the numbers to change the outcome OR they just completely block everything from the media and ignore the win.

What you guys dont seem to understand, is you are playing a COMPLETELY rigged game! If it were Russian roulette, they would hand you a gun with 6 bullets in it, spin the chamber, hand it to you with a wink of the eye, and guess what? You are going to lose. Keep playing the game if you wish. I will sit by and laugh at all the fodder you provide for me. At this point, it is more entertaining than reality.

Go ahead guys, send the neg rep and nasty PM's. Not like I havent received them before. At least my feet are planted firmly on the ground, and I live in a land of reality.
 
What you guys dont seem to understand, is you are playing a COMPLETELY rigged game!

I posted an article about this and will reiterate that TPTB rely on people pushing the futility myth. Something rigged can be unrigged if you know how they did it.

Added: Cancel your cable/dish subscriptions. For every $2 you send them, you ought to send $1 to a liberty movement just to cancel out all the harm the MSM causes.


Go ahead guys, send the neg rep and nasty PM's. Not like I havent received them before. At least my feet are planted firmly on the ground, and I live in a land of reality.

OK...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Feelgood again.

Seems like I must neg some others before I neg you again! FWIW, I hope you aren't talking about MY PM in response to YOUR nasty PM:

Re: derp

Quote Originally Posted by Feelgood
You are an idiot. How is that for think voting?

dumbass

To which, all I PM'd back was:

That's your alternative? It's too bad typos didn't sink some constitutional amendments. They matter less than you think.

Nor was my neg rep all that nasty:

Thread: Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor 2014 Adrian Wyllie

you really shouldn't be here then ... if think voting doesn't matter, either keep it to yourself or provide your non-blue-pill alternative

So whoever is sending you nasty messages, I sure hope they stop!!!
 
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I posted an article about this and will reiterate that TPTB rely on people pushing the futility myth. Something rigged can be unrigged if you know how they did it.

Added: Cancel your cable/dish subscriptions. For every $2 you send them, you ought to send $1 to a liberty movement just to cancel out all the harm the MSM causes.




OK...



Seems like I must neg some others before I neg you again! FWIW, I hope you aren't talking about MY PM in response to YOUR nasty PM:



To which, all I PM'd back was:



Nor was my neg rep all that nasty:



So whoever is sending you nasty messages, I sure hope they stop!!!

Choribum. That is what you would be. Pretty petty for a free hornet.
 
Choribum. [Educate me... what's the connection?] That is what you would be. Pretty petty for a free hornet.

But yes I'm petty. I just don't piss on the promotion of a non-two-party liberty candidate polling 9% (!).

Nor do I believe that support should be conditioned on

a) a strong chance of winning (or a guarantee as some seem to require)
b) not having hurt feelings .... sawwwy! your big strong guy lost!

I suspect people like you and Feelgood would only go to war if you were guaranteed victory and had zero chance of dying. Sorry if the world doesn't work that way. I'm not claiming blind, unconditional support is required but I do believe it is hard to win a campaign with everybody and the "supporters" believing it isn't even a remote possibility. And that is exactly what you and Feelgood implied. Do you show up at a fundraiser, "Here's money, your guy doesn't have a chance in hell, thanks for the button, bye!"?

There is a reason more people remember Ross Perot and Ralph Nader despite losing elections, their influence affects how the major parties attract voters (particularly when the votes of your guy, plus a guy nominally on your 'wing' comprise a majority or exceed the plurality winner). If you want liberty candidates, vote for liberty candidates.

You know who 'threw their votes away'? People who didn't vote for Ron Paul in 1988. What a bunch of assholes!
 
WOW - thank you RPF. I do a google search on Adrian Wyllie on the web, restrict it to the last 24 hours, and this post comes up #1, crazy. I guess that the RPF is the only place in America that is discussing the next Governor of Florida! I have noticed how the world can be a bit lethargic.

Number 2 is a radio interview with a liberal who hates Democratic candidate Charlie Crist, too funny. The Liberal host tries to give Wyllie problems but he is converted by the time the interview is over and asks Wyllie to come back to the show when he is Governor. Listen to the interview if you want here:

The BONE
 
The Libertarian Party simply does not want to win. The best example of that is back in 2010. Lisa Murkowski lost the GOP nomination to Joe Miller, and attempted to get on the ballot with the Libertarian Party, and they refused, and Murkowski went on to wage a successful write-in campaign.

The Libertarian Party had the perfect chance to wash away the stink of never winning anything important in forty-something years of existence, and passed it up. For what? They didn't prevent Murkowski from getting back into the Senate, nor did their candidate get anything other than single-digits.
 
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The Libertarian Party simply does not want to win. The best example of that is back in 2010. Lisa Murkowski lost the GOP nomination to Joe Miller, and attempted to get on the ballot with the Libertarian Party, and they refused, and Murkowski went on to wage a successful write-in campaign.

The Libertarian Party had the perfect chance to wash away the stink of never winning anything important in forty-something years of existence, and passed it up. For what? They didn't prevent Murkowski from getting back into the Senate, nor did their candidate get anything other than single-digits.

That's a good point. And it's not like they would have turned Murkowski down as a candidate if she were some no-name person with the exact same political positions she had.
 
Not a fan of his abortion stance. It's pretty consistent with most in the LP, though.
Either you're against the murder of an unborn child... or you're not, is how I see it.
Saying you are "personally against it" while saying it should be the mother's choice is a cowardice attempt to play both sides, imo. But- it is a common approach.

Still, far and away better than Scott. Will likely vote for him out of protest.
 
That's great Wooden Indian - I'm in Tampa Bay, where do you live?
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That happens when the president wins a national election.

Not necessarily, no. It happens when the candidate wins the majority of electors, and because the electors tend to be chosen for their loyalty.

Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?

A: It has happened four times.
 
Not necessarily, no. It happens when the candidate wins the majority of electors, and because the electors tend to be chosen for their loyalty.

Those four cases are still cases where the president won the election according to the rules of the election, which is not based on popular vote.

It's perfectly fair to say the President has to win a national election.

It's not fair to say that somebody appointed to the New Hampshire liquor commission has won a statewide election.
 
erowe1, because of you and all of your negativity I went looking for another Libertarian I could help win in November. First of all there are not many in America that are really running. I call the babe in Iowa, my home state, running for Governor but she is a physician who hasn't had a campaign stop since March, not good. But, because she is a physician I just called her office and her campaign manager SAMANTHA is going to email me, I can hardly wait. But, if you can believe this there is another one in of all places -- FLORIDA. This guy, Lucus, is running for Congress. So I call him and say my name and said, "You should give me a call and give my phone number." So, in about 10 minutes this Lucus calls me and we talk for about 45 minutes and I fill him in on how the world is shaping up. I must say I was totally impressed with this young guy named Lucus. What is totally weird is the Democrats were so stupid they don't have anybody in the race for this congress seat in Tampa Bay, I kid you not. So it's this Libertarian kid named Luca against the Republican named Jolly with no Democrat in the race. So I'm thinking I could really use an ally in DC. So instead of just Wyllie as Governor maybe I should help this kid defeat this lawyer/politician Republican called Jolly. After all I'm a Rand Paul Republican in all states but Florida so why not. So if I help Lucus win a seat in Congress and he goes to DC it's all because of you erowe1. Thanks for making me think outside of the box.
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erowe1, because of you and all of your negativity I went looking for another Libertarian I could help win in November. First of all there are not many in America that are really running. I call the babe in Iowa, my home state, running for Governor but she is a physician who hasn't had a campaign stop since March, not good. But, because she is a physician I just called her office and her campaign manager SAMANTHA is going to email me, I can hardly wait. But, if you can believe this there is another one in of all places -- FLORIDA. This guy, Lucus, is running for Congress. So I call him and say my name and said, "You should give me a call and give my phone number." So, in about 10 minutes this Lucus calls me and we talk for about 45 minutes and I fill him in on how the world is shaping up. I must say I was totally impressed with this young guy named Lucus. What is totally weird is the Democrats were so stupid they don't have anybody in the race for this congress seat in Tampa Bay, I kid you not. So it's this Libertarian kid named Luca against the Republican named Jolly with no Democrat in the race. So I'm thinking I could really use an ally in DC. So instead of just Wyllie as Governor maybe I should help this kid defeat this lawyer/politician Republican called Jolly. After all I'm a Rand Paul Republican in all states but Florida so why not. So if I help Lucus win a seat in Congress and he goes to DC it's all because of you erowe1. Thanks for making me think outside of the box.
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We're all waiting with bated breath to see how this works out for you. Keep us posted.
 
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