Lew Rockwell's take on Ron in Iowa

[Matt Collins]

Matt, you are just wrong. You've been wrong all along. You keep claiming that the Paul "campaign" made this mistake or that mistake when in reality it was the media (and you know this). The same crap they did back then they are doing again (like omitting Rand's name from the poll results). You know this and yet you keep harping on what YOU think "they" did wrong. Tell me, what possible strategy can overcome ZERO (almost) coverage in the media??

Having more money and better poll results would force the media to give Rand a bit more of a fair shake.

Yes the media hurt in 2012 but that wasn't the only reason Ron lost Iowa. There are always multiple factors at hand.

 

[Matt Collins]

I think people are just mad because you can be a bit of a debbie downer,

I'm just a realist.

 

[Matt Collins]

You've taken your stupidity to a whole new level here.

Allow me to clarify that... if Rand was still "in the game" then yes Ron's presence would hurt him. However since Rand is not really in the game at this point Ron's presence doesn't matter as much. And since a lot of Ron's grassroots have been ignored, Ron can help at this point in time simply because bringing some of Ron's people back in to the fold to caucus for Rand. In that way it will help Ron.


Rand will do better than anyone expects in Iowa, he has probably what is the best ground game in the state. But there are a lot of internal and external factors that will prevent him from placing in the top 2, probably the top 3.

 

[Matt Collins]

Clearly not. And if you read many of his posts, you can tell he's pretty sore about that.

My guess is that Collins' hopes of being a part of this campaign went down the drain when Benton was indicted. Collins was always a big butt kisser of that dingle berry.

Uh no not at all. I never tried to work for the campaign. I actually had some health problems arise last year and have gotten out of the political business simply because it is not healthy to maintain that type of lifestyle. Its ashame too because I was kicking ass and getting shit done but I've had to move on in order to better my health.


What I am angry about is why Rand isn't doing as well as he should be doing. But I'll keep all of that to myself and a few very close friends.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Nobody is at fault for where Rand is more so than Donald Trump and the people who pretended to care about liberty who are now on his bandwagon.

Like, for instance, Lew Rockwell...

He's no better than the stupidest Trumpanzee on this forum.

...actually worse, as he really ought to know better, given how long he's been involved in politics.

 

[nikcers]

I'm just a realist.

Just because you are being truthful, doesn't mean you are any more realistic or authentic in comparison to anyone else who is being a dick. It's realistic to call someone out of the game and essentially imply we are wasting our time? It sounds like you have a personal grudge and you should keep that offline or to yourself because you do nothing but shame yourself, I lose more respect for you for every post.

 

[Leaning Libertarian]

The negative opinions doesn't affect me in the least. I am still voting for Rand Paul, no matter what is said.

 

[nikcers]

The negative opinions doesn't affect me in the least. I am still voting for Rand Paul, no matter what is said.

They enrage me to vote harder. I'm gonna bug the shit and make everyone I know hate me for the next year

 

[Matt Collins]

It's realistic to call someone out of the game and essentially imply we are wasting our time?

No, I never said that we were wasting our time. Even though the nomination has slipped us by doesn't mean there aren't benefits to still being in the race and fighting. But yes, we have long passed the point of no return.

 

[CPUd]

Clearly not. And if you read many of his posts, you can tell he's pretty sore about that.

My guess is that Collins' hopes of being a part of this campaign went down the drain when Benton was indicted. Collins was always a big butt kisser of that dingle berry.

Yes, someone over there hurt his feelings.

 

[Badger Paul]

"Ron's presence can only hurt Rand"

Yeah, at five percent in polls in Iowa Rand's campaign is in no position to take chances

Isn't it amazing Ted Cruz likes to drop Ron Paul's name, says his supporters in Iowa are backing him and not Rand and has a group set up designed to pull those supporters into his camp, while Rand is supposedly hurt by being in the mere presence of his father? Even for a single day?

Your only problem Collins is you're butthurt you and your grifter friends aren't involved in this effort this time around. Find some other candidate to suck the blood out of and their supporters too.

There's no reason why a quiet, out-of-spotlight effort by Ron to shore up Rand's support in Iowa to counter Cruz wouldn't be effective. It's not like the media was going to follow him anyways if that's what you're worried about. Nor would he be the first father to help his kid on the campaign trail.

I'll say this, if Rand does have success this time around, it will a lot sweeter knowing certain people aren't around to spoil it.

 

[William R]

Rand wasn't ready. He made some crucial early mistakes and I'm sure he'll learn from them.

He should have stuck to his guns about Neocons creating ISIS. Immigration the Rand of 2010. Getting close to Mcconnell allowed Rand to run for President and Senate at the same time, but it did hurt him with the grassroots.

 

[Suzanimal]

Its obvious that Rand's campaign is doing this as a last ditch effort. Ron's presence can only hurt Rand but they are willing to give it a try in desperation because with his polling so low it might actually help.


Now that's not to say that Ron or his supporters should've been alienated as much as they have been but doing and saying exactly what Ron did in 2012 was a guaranteed way to lose. The trick would've been to continue Ron's momentum from 2012 with a few tweaks. Unfortunately that didn't happen for various reasons which I won't go in to publicly.

Yeah, drawing huge crowds would've sucked.

 

[Matt Collins]

Yes, someone over there hurt his feelings.

No, not at all. What I am disappointed about is that the momentum from 2008 and 2012 has evaporated away.

 

[Matt Collins]

Yeah, drawing huge crowds would've sucked.

Did it get Ron elected?

 

[Suzanimal]

Did it get Ron elected?

Nope but he made a lot of people think and I believe that's the first step to real change. I think we disagree on that but you have to admit having huge crowds show up to Rands events couldn't hurt him.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Nope but he made a lot of people think and I believe that's the first step to real change. I think we disagree on that but you have to admit having huge crowds show up to Rands events couldn't hurt him.

Yes, but an even larger number of people, who don't attend these rallies, choosing not to vote for Rand based on the "radical" ideas espoused by Ron would.

Using Ron in a way that targets his former supporters (GOTV basically, rather than conversion) is a good idea (as they're doing now with robocalls in Iowa).

But associating Ron with Rand in front of the general public is very risky.

All the "he's crazy, he's isolationist, blah blah" folks who stood in our way in 2012 are still out there.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[Matt Collins]

Yes, but an even larger number of people, who don't attend these rallies, choosing not to vote for Rand based on the "radical" ideas espoused by Ron would.

Using Ron in a way that targets his former supporters (GOTV basically, rather than conversion) is a good idea (as they're doing now with robocalls in Iowa).

But associating Ron with Rand in front of the general public is very risky.

All the "he's crazy, he's isolationist, blah blah" folks who stood in our way in 2012 are still out there.

Most intelligent post of this thread.

 

[cajuncocoa]

There is stuff told to me in confidence many times and I am not going to break other people's trust.

Then you should shut your trap about all of it....don't say anything if you can't name the source.