Let's kill Wal-Mart

[Truth Warrior]

This all kinda reminds me of the 70's, when Apple started calling itself the next IBM. IBM just shifted gears, with a new product and division, and just kicked Apple's butt.

 

[coyote_sprit]

Uhh... what? Whose trying to be the next Walmart?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Uhh... what? Whose trying to be the next Walmart?

The WalMart "killers" here.

It's that same kind of mindset that is going to "take over" the GOP.

Yeah, right.

 

[coyote_sprit]

The WalMart "killers" here.

It's that same kind of mindset that is going to "take over" the GOP.

Yeah, right.

Wait nevermind I just had a major facepalm and mindfuck.

You ever viewed a multi page topic for the first time and the person who posted above you was the first person to post on this page and you mistook it for a new topic?

Makes you feel dumb don't it?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Wait nevermind I just had a major facepalm and mindfuck.

You ever viewed a multi page topic for the first time and the person who posted above you was the first person to post on this page and you mistook it for a new topic?

Makes you feel dumb don't it?

It happens.

Yep!

Yep!

 

[revolutionman]

if you wanna hurt walmart go in there and distribute pro union propaganda to employees, and help them organize from the outside.

As far as free market economics is concerned there are varying opinions on the validity of unionization. Personally i think helping walmart employees get a fare wage and better benefits without lobbying for them is just dandy.

Forget about walmart, and their employment practices and their profit margin, and just consider the damage walmart does to the surrounding community, and also, walmarts prices are not that low anymore.

if you notice, WallyWorld moves in with low everyday prices, and as soon as the local competition goes bust, those low low prices start looking a lot like the prices you used to pay at the local dept store. Walmart is monopolizing, especially in the rural US where there is not even other corporations to compete with. the worst part is that our elected officials cater to this nonsense.

I say we should help the walmart employees unionize. That way, the employees get their fair share, and walmart doesn't have to get "killed" which would put a whole lot of people out of work and leave a whole lot more people with no place to shop. I'm aware of union corruption, but there is corruption in any organization. You simply have to consider that the benefits of unionizing walmart stores far outweigh whatever percent is lost to corruption.

I dunno if anyone else sees unionization the same way, but i'm open to other takes on the matter.

 

[Unspun]

if you wanna hurt walmart go in there and distribute pro union propaganda to employees, and help them organize from the outside.

As far as free market economics is concerned there are varying opinions on the validity of unionization. Personally i think helping walmart employees get a fare wage and better benefits without lobbying for them is just dandy.

Forget about walmart, and their employment practices and their profit margin, and just consider the damage walmart does to the surrounding community, and also, walmarts prices are not that low anymore.

if you notice, WallyWorld moves in with low everyday prices, and as soon as the local competition goes bust, those low low prices start looking a lot like the prices you used to pay at the local dept store. Walmart is monopolizing, especially in the rural US where there is not even other corporations to compete with. the worst part is that our elected officials cater to this nonsense.

I say we should help the walmart employees unionize. That way, the employees get their fair share, and walmart doesn't have to get "killed" which would put a whole lot of people out of work and leave a whole lot more people with no place to shop. I'm aware of union corruption, but there is corruption in any organization. You simply have to consider that the benefits of unionizing walmart stores far outweigh whatever percent is lost to corruption.

I dunno if anyone else sees unionization the same way, but i'm open to other takes on the matter.

Nope. I don't see unions that way.

I worked for a Union when I worked for AT&T. I also worked for them before. Yes, my pay was slightly better (by 50 cents per hour) and my pay increases were regular.

My problem with Unions is that people, once tenured, could not get fired no matter how bad of workers they are. Even if they weren't tenured it was still almost impossible to fire them if they sucked at their job. It creates inefficiency and costs the business greatly. They still got their pay raises, all their benefits (which were only slightly better than prior to the union coming in--and also what ever happened to pay raises because you deserved it?), and got to do a shitty job while I sat and worked my ass off because that's the way I was taught. I saw them progress throughout the company while I stayed right where I was. It was stupid.

Also it forced the company, by law, to give us better pay and better benefits which only hurt the customers. But, these benefits were often made irrelevant because our paid time off was cut, and our sick leave was made so you couldn't be sick almost at all, and we no longer got free phones or free service from AT&T, so where they made better concessions (barely) in one area they took away what we had in another area.

Plus having a business being forced to do something because a federal and state government protected trade union (racketeering if you ask me) is not something that should be promoted in a "free market economy". It doesn't help workers, it doesn't help customers, and it certainly doesn't help businessmen who worked their asses off to have what they have. It's unfair, immoral, and unjust.

In conclusion, Wal Mart are heroes for not allowing Unions to come in.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Who says that there is only one way to attack a problem?

Walmart participates in the corporatist rape of America and also China, so why should we limit ourselves to attacking only the government side of the problem?

Why shouldn't we all decide to use free-market capitalism to compete with Walmart, and take Walmarts money as well?

We sure as hell can't print any money like the Fed, or collect protection money like the IRS.

And don't you think that this money would be useful for the movement?

We could use it to fund the political campaigning that we are gonna need to fund in order to make the political changes that we are gonna need to make.

No more Fed, no more IRS, no more NAFTA.

Not to mention, we would attract a hell of a lot more people to our movement.

And haven't you ever heard of using your money in a moral way?

Prostitution and gambling don't have to be illegal, but that does not mean that everyone should spend all of their money on these things to make society a better place.

Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors of Walmart, and Bill Clinton passed NAFTA.

Do I really need to go through Walmarts earnings with a fine tooth to comb to explain to you how that seems immoral?

It's the same kind of shit that you have with Dick Cheney and Halliburton, and quite frankly, not only does it make me hate these politicians, but it makes me hate these companies too.

And not to mention, when you call me a moron for no reason, and then pretend that you are smart, then that makes me fucking hate you too.

lol

So I take it you won't be addressing my question and supporting your opinion with evidence? Hypothetical questions to make it seem like you know what you're saying? I can play that game, too.

Do I really need to show you the financials myself and make you look foolish? Do I really need to show you evidence of corrupt GOVERNMENT, not business? Do I have to tell you Corporations are owned by the shareholders, not a single person on the board? Do I have to tell you you're spewing nonsense, opinion, and rhetoric without providing any evidence? If you're gonna run your mouth be prepared to back it up, buddy.


"Forget about walmart, and their employment practices and their profit margin, and just consider the damage walmart does to the surrounding community, and also, walmarts prices are not that low anymore."

Can you provide evidence that shows me wal-mart does damage to the surrounding community, and please don't cite your butt because that's where that garbage statement came out of

 

[TruthisTreason]

You pro-union and anit- wal-mart guys read this book. I've got a feeling you haven't.

http://jim.com/econ/

Shortcut to the union argument here. http://jim.com/econ/chap20p1.html

 

[Petar]

So I take it you won't be addressing my question and supporting your opinion with evidence? Hypothetical questions to make it seem like you know what you're saying? I can play that game, too.

Do I really need to show you the financials myself and make you look foolish? Do I really need to show you evidence of corrupt GOVERNMENT, not business? Do I have to tell you Corporations are owned by the shareholders, not a single person on the board? Do I have to tell you you're spewing nonsense, opinion, and rhetoric without providing any evidence? If you're gonna run your mouth be prepared to back it up, buddy.

I did address your question.

You implied that someone would have to go through Walmarts earnings reports in order to figure out if they were lobbying the government or not.

I brought up Walmarts close association to Billary Clinton and NAFTA to show you that corporatist assholes often engage in "off the books" forms of lobbying as well.

NAFTA is one of the government policies that hold down America so that Walmart can continuously rape it.

So even if Walmart itself had nothing to do with the government creation of this immoral law (which I do not tend to believe at all) since when is an immoral law considered moral justification for an action?

America is full of immoral laws that legally allow us to victimize each other constantly.

www.freemarketforliberty.com is merely a project to organize a market place for Americans who would like to invest their money and labor in a way that will help restore the Republic, as opposed to continuing to destroy it.

 

[Petar]

The WalMart "killers" here.

It's that same kind of mindset that is going to "take over" the GOP.

Yeah, right.

"Take over the GOP" AKA "The Ron Paul Revolution" is the most exciting/successful movement that libertarians have had for generations.

We are fighting to take back the GOP, in our ultimate struggle to take back the whole American government.

Why should we not also use free-market economics to help us accomplish this, and why should Walmart not be one of our main targets?

Walmart is in business with the same neo-cons who run the USA government, not to mention international globalists, so it's only logical.

 

[AmericasLastHope]

The thing I like about Wal Mart is that all of their products are Made in America.

Oh wait...

 

[revolutionman]

I think too many people operate under the assumption that all unions are the same, or that all unions have to be the same. A union doesn't have to provide sanctuary for unfit workers, though many choose to. With liberty minded, free marketeers at the forefront of the movement for unionization of Walmart, we can set a new standard for Retail Unions in America.

the unions dont have to take full advantage of every power they have, but with only self interest and no morals governing the union, its hard to expect them not to. Which is why free marketeers should support this idea. we can help them do it right. otherwise the liberals might take the charge and then Walmart will really be taken to the cleaners.

 

[hotbrownsauce]

The only real problem I have with Walmart is that as a company it often encourages employees to seek (and provides information for) state welfare/medicare/etc. aid instead of paying decent wages and benefits. So it's an extremely successful company that is subsidized by taxpayers.

That and the Walton family, worth tens of billions of dollars, gives hardly anything at all to charity. That's not nearly as offensive to me as the eagnerness to tap into taxpayers instead of their bottom line, though.

The money saved is invested which helps turn the economy.

 

[TruthisTreason]

After reading Economics in One Lesson, I started supporting Wal-Mart!!!

 

[dannno]

The money saved is invested which helps turn the economy.

Uh, no, it takes my tax dollars and sends them to fucking China.

Walmart is merely a symptom..whoever posted that on the front page is right on.

 

[powerofreason]

Fuck you and your protectionist bullshit.

 

[hotbrownsauce]

Uh, no, it takes my tax dollars and sends them to fucking China.

Walmart is merely a symptom..whoever posted that on the front page is right on.

Tom Woods said that (paraphrased) recently in a speech. Having wealth in and of its self excluding how you got it is actually helpful to an economy.

To my knowledge WalMart has not done anything illegal according to the government. If you have a gripe with WalMart you aren't arguing the principle that government allowed it to happen. The USA's economic policies make it hard for a company here in America to compete with China. (Taxes, regulations, minimum wage, working conditions, etc etc) The USA could compete if we were once again llaisse fare. We are suffering from no specialization. Many things we produce we can't produce cheaply enough for the world to buy. If we specialized in making the cheapest shoes who wouldn't buy them? The companies are asking for too much money, and employees are asking for too much money which drives up the prices.

Driving prices of products down is a good thing. It gets the products made more efficiently and allows for the poorest of people to use them. On the flip side, people who want quality items and can afford them will buy them supporting that portion of the market.

What about the 50% of our checks taken from us? If government downsized it would be able to survive on a much smaller percentage and still perform all of its vital functions. That would give the people of the states twice the spending power. So what if instead of keeping that money we told each of our corporations to cut our pay in half. Then the prices of products would fall and business would grow and we might be competitive. If the prices of goods fell then you could buy more goods with the same amount of money. Nations have never prospered with more than about a 10-20% tax rate.

WalMart would be in a different perspective to everyone if the free market was allowed to function and compete. I'm not saying everything is hunky dory either.

About the only thing left in America is the Service sector.

 

[angelatc]

Walmart is monopolizing, especially in the rural US where there is not even other corporations to compete with. the worst part is that our elected officials cater to this nonsense.

Jesus.

WalMart got started in rural America, they didn't infiltrate it. They made their fortune by servicing areas that the big corporations couldn't be bothered to touch, areas that other big companies said weren't populated enough to be profitable.

Screw all that liberal small-town America mom & pop shoppes crap. Those folks didn't pay very well, offered no benefits, and sold previous season's merchandise for inflated prices. Stupid city liberals moaning of paradise lost. when in reality getting a WalMart was awesome for the people who actually shopped there. Businesses who can't stand competition freaking fold. That's life.

Personally, they're building a Wal-Mart right up the road from me and I can't freaking wait. I am soooo tired of the dingy little Kroger that sells soda for $5.50 a 12 pack because they don't have any comptition.

ANd I could give a rat's butt if they're union. I'm in Michigan, where everybody in union, and I think our economy provides critical evidence about why *that's* a bad plan.

If there's a shortage of labor, wages will rise. Using extortion to demand a "fair share" distorts the market and weakens the system.

 

[Petar]

Fuck you and your protectionist bullshit.

"Protectionism" involves things like selective and high tariffs and regulations, measures that inevitably tend to favor big businesses over small ones.

MalMart is the perfect example of a company which has lobbied to thrive under such conditions, both on this continent, and also in Asia.

Of course we first need to lobby our governments to have these laws corrected, which would just put us in a political battle with WalMart, but if we also choose to take the moral high ground, and decide to "vote with our wallets", by supporting companies that wont turn around and then use that money to further enslave all of humanity, then nothing bad can be said about those efforts either.

Additionally, eat shit and die faggot.

Thank you.